Drinkwater

[dannythefox]

5 hours ago, Viva said:

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/101253-lcfcratings-season-summary-part-4-player-by-player-review/?tab=comments#comment-3454490

 

Maybe you are one of the ones that look at him a little with rose tinted glasses on? Yes in that particular season he was probably slightly better than Drinkwater. Still very average though. Drinkwater in the season before and after this, showed how good he can be. James certainly needs to step up if he is going to have break into our team regularly. 

Jesus he did his ACL takes a lot to come back from that, your saying it like he's not been pulling his weight. He will get his chance this season.

[Viva]

4 hours ago, ttfn said:

People always say "form is temporary, class is permanent" when talking about a player getting back up to a previous level, as if its taken as read that the "class" of the player reflects the good performances earlier in his career.

 

What if the "temporary" element was his fantastic form in the 2 league winning seasons and the "permanent" part the rest of the time when he's fluctuated between fairly decent and totally ineffectual?

Doesn't the fact that the title winning team of last year potentially want to spend £37m on a player tell you something?

 

I can't believe some people seem more than happy because Matty James can come in as he has played well in a couple of pre season matches. The difference in quality is huge at the minute. That's why Championship clubs are the ones keen on James. 

 

Its also not easy finding great centre mids to buy. Every club wants them and the odds are we won't get better than an England international like Drinkwater. 

 

 

[dannythefox]

1 hour ago, KingsX said:

I've been watching the Shed End on this for a couple days.  Nearing 200 posts and most take it seriously.  For whatever that's worth.

 

Whether smoke or fire ... 37M strikes me as absurd.  But every player has a price.

 

Given your perception of his future value, homegrown and/or PL-buyer "bonus", and the cost to replace him ... if you were Rudders what would your "drop dead" price be, where at the end of the day you would sell?

 

I'm thinking 25M and probably lying to myself ... might take a bit less if my job was making the hard decisions.

 

 

With the stupid prices players are going for now he has to be worth 35M I never thought I'd say that but it's gone crazy.

[DatfoxesKid23]

14 hours ago, Fox 4 Life said:

How do you know we haven't?

37m for an average midfielder wouldn't you accept that?

[Bluetintedspecs]

On 31/07/2017 at 22:06, Babylon said:

He's not a source! It's like saying I'm a source for just repeating what I read in the paper.

Nobody will believe info from the Sunday Sport though Babs

[Vindaloo FOX]

has he gone yet ? 

 

do we have the money yet ? 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

37 million is ridiculously overpriced for an average midfield player.

 

He may have made the England squad, but the quality in that squad is the worst I've ever known.  Dreadful.

 

In a few years time when he's gone and I compare him to players of the past, players who've shone in the CM position, he'll be down the pecking order.  Lennon, for example, was a better player in his position.  Parker's range of passing was also better.

 

 

[Buzzell]

I wouldn't class Drinkwater as a average player. He is the heartbeat of our midfield when he's on form, we all know that. Unfortunately for him he doesn't look anywhere near his best and isn't worth £35m+ at all so you could say take the money but it's such a risk at this stage. 

 

Surely we will be replacing him with a well known PL player. It's all good and dandy having Iborra and James in the squad but Iborra is unproven at this level and James is only just getting back to full fitness.

 

Such a risky desicion to make in my eyes. 

[ronnup]

Exactly right. People think it's a computer game. Sell DD and slot this player in because of these stats. So short sighted. 

[Tuna]

If selling Drinky means we get Silva then I'm all for it. However I doubt we would be able to pull that one off.

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, buzzer_b said:

I wouldn't class Drinkwater as a average player. He is the heartbeat of our midfield when he's on form, we all know that. Unfortunately for him he doesn't look anywhere near his best and isn't worth £35m+ at all so you could say take the money but it's such a risk at this stage. 

 

Surely we will be replacing him with a well known PL player. It's all good and dandy having Iborra and James in the squad but Iborra is unproven at this level and James is only just getting back to full fitness.

 

Such a risky desicion to make in my eyes. 

 

It's not risky at all IMO.

 

Yes we may end up a slightly poorer side because James, Iborra, Mendy or King don't quite fill his boots but it won't be the difference of us going up or down or Europe or not. 

 

For all those who would reject £37m I'd love to hear what price you would accept.

[Buzzell]

Also look at it from the clubs point of view. If we lose Mahrez and also Drinkwater in the same window then that's all our creative spark in the squad gone at once. Great having all this cash but to rebuild so soon to the season is crazy. If we're selling then one or the other will go not both. 

[Sharpe's Fox]

Why are people bothered about money that won't be theirs over a player who is the heartbeat of the side on and off the pitch and is a legend for us. Like someone has said people treat transfers like a video game where they feel they have a financial stake in the transfer. You don't. We are not a FL club with no budget so we don't need to sell our best players.

[Wolfox]

9 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Why are people bothered about money that won't be theirs over a player who is the heartbeat of the side on and off the pitch and is a legend for us. Like someone has said people treat transfers like a video game where they feel they have a financial stake in the transfer. You don't. We are not a FL club with no budget so we don't need to sell our best players.

Hyperbole

 

And I love Drinkwater as much as the next man and would much rather he stayed and played (like he did in 15/16)

[mad biker]

14 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Why are people bothered about money that won't be theirs over a player who is the heartbeat of the side on and off the pitch and is a legend for us. Like someone has said people treat transfers like a video game where they feel they have a financial stake in the transfer. You don't. We are not a FL club with no budget so we don't need to sell our best players.

Agree with you 100% but don`t worry he`s going nowhere :-)

 

[gurru991]

I honestly can't see Chelsea paying 37 mil for DD but unless we have a replacement lined up for him  its a bad deal for us. Matty & Iborra have looked decent so far but we need DD or equivalent to have a good season. 37m won't count for jack if we get relegated. 

[Chrysalis]

15 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

If you'd refuse £37m for Drinkwater, humour me and tell me at what price would you sell?

the value of players scales with TV money and the like.

 

You get more then 37 million now for finishing bottom of the EPL, in other words 37 million is nothing special for an EPL club.

 

Remember we paid 8 million for a championship striker who was almost 30, drinkwater is english, a EPL title winner, proven to play very well alongside kante (as such raises his value to that club) and has a few years still before he is 30.  That alone puts the value at a modest level.  But not a huge level.

 

James is looking handy pre season but has still not played an EPL game for over a year, the seville signing has potential but unproven in the EPL yet, selling drinkwater is for sure risky, we dont need the money so I would be tempted to keep, of course the problem is if danny really pushes for the move.

[Jimmy]

if Drinkwater was at Stoke and we were offering £37m this would be full of the same people loving him now talking about how he's average and not worth the money

[UniFox21]

Still remember the game he played for Barnsley when he ripped us apart, few weeks later he was a leicester player... would love to keep hold of him, just hope he wants to stay. We can't afford to lose the big characters in the squad

[bpfox]

if we do sell i hope to hell we have some players lined up to replace him.

[m4DD0gg]

8 hours ago, buzzer_b said:

I wouldn't class Drinkwater as a average player. He is the heartbeat of our midfield when he's on form, we all know that. Unfortunately for him he doesn't look anywhere near his best and isn't worth £35m+ at all so you could say take the money but it's such a risk at this stage. 

 

Surely we will be replacing him with a well known PL player. It's all good and dandy having Iborra and James in the squad but Iborra is unproven at this level and James is only just getting back to full fitness.

 

Such a risky desicion to make in my eyes. 

Yes he was when kante was here but not any more that much is sure.

[mozartfox]

4 hours ago, bpfox said:

if we do sell i hope to hell we have some players lined up to replace him.

Dream on pal.

[shen]

1 hour ago, Worthington said:

Surely the 'Drinkwater is average' comments are a little disingenuous !

Yes, didn't perform to the best of his abilities last term, (who did)?.  But he remains an important and integral member of the team.

He's the one CM we have who's mind seems to be in 'synch' with JVs  ! 

If we sell, particularly now, we have £££ we don't need, a 'hole' in the team and the task of finding a suitable replacement/upgrade.

Replacement would probably use up the incoming fee, upgrade even more....Then there's the 'bedding in spell' for Mr New Guy, which could go either way, (Huth/Mendy) !

So much simpler to keep a very decent player and save the other hassle for another day!

He's a solid player who can really shine when all the cogs are in place. Last season (and every other year) however, he hasn't been up to par. His work rate and combativity has been really good, but with James and Iborra, not to mention Ndidi, I feel we should have adequate options to replace him already. For ball retention and covering I feel James is about on the same level as Drinkwater and Ndidi is far more dynamic which should be the type of constellation we should be looking for.

No reason not to cash in when we can get a good price for him, nevermind getting rid of his massive wages. The Gaston Ramirez situation should be an example not to follow.

[Babylon]

They certainly need a CM, their recruitment has been pretty shoddy this summer, so a panic buy for Drinkwater is probably where they are at right now... still think it's rubbish though.

[desertfox2]

4 hours ago, Worthington said:

Surely the 'Drinkwater is average' comments are a little disingenuous !

Yes, didn't perform to the best of his abilities last term, (who did)?.  But he remains an important and integral member of the team.

He's the one CM we have who's mind seems to be in 'synch' with JVs  ! 

If we sell, particularly now, we have £££ we don't need, a 'hole' in the team and the task of finding a suitable replacement/upgrade.

Replacement would probably use up the incoming fee, upgrade even more....Then there's the 'bedding in spell' for Mr New Guy, which could go either way, (Huth/Mendy) !

So much simpler to keep a very decent player and save the other hassle for another day!

He's much better than average but if the 37m rumour is true and he wants to go there it would be hard to turn down tbh