Premier League Thread 2019/20

[DerbyshireFox]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

They're not going to do that though are they. 

 

Why would you break up Jota and Jimenez? It's working really well for them tbf. 

 

I wouldn't want to change personnel or shape drastically at all if I was Wolves, just add depth which is what Cutrone is. Young guy to come in and back up Jimenez. 

Not week in week out obviously! But it’s not a bad option to have. Good players work well together if they strike up a rapport. Have to see if Jimenez can replicate last season now he’s more of a known quantity, but Cutrone is certainly worth a go at that price 

[FoxFossil]

23 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

 

He's done a great job and they do have some great players. But I agree, I think they'll concede too many goals. 

Could be wrong and they do well, but I'm dubious 

Having watched pre-season game at Rotherham, guess you could say the same about us.

[The Bear]

Cutrone is supposedly better off the bench to change a game according to Milan fans. He'll definitely be behind Jota/Jimenez. Jota as a 10 has been mooted, but his best work is off the defenders shoulder so I doubt it will happen. Jota is gonna be our main man this season IMO. 

Edited 28 July 2019 by The Bear

[UniFox21]

3 hours ago, FoxFossil said:

Having watched pre-season game at Rotherham, guess you could say the same about us.

 

8 minutes ago, FoxFossil said:

Having watched pre-season game at Rotherham, guess you could say the same about us.

Norwich conceded a decent number last year; was just a prediction.

 

As per, pre-season means nothing and is just to get fitness and tactics sorted. Also, the Rotherham game contained many of the bench and reserve players, so your point makes less sense.

[Ian Nacho]

£55m is a pathetic bid for Zaha. £65m should be the minimum. 

[Ric Flair]

I'll be honest, with Everton, West Ham and Wolves now adding some quality to their squads and Arsenal getting Pepe and Cellabos the supposed inevitability of us getting top 6 next season isn't anywhere near certain.

 

I'm also less enthralled with the news that we aren't looking to bring in another winger, I think it will be the area that will be our Achilles heel next season. Still can't wait for the season to start but I think expectation is way too high.

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'll be honest, with Everton, West Ham and Wolves now adding some quality to their squads and Arsenal getting Pepe and Cellabos the supposed inevitability of us getting top 6 next season isn't anywhere near certain.

 

I'm also less enthralled with the news that we aren't looking to bring in another winger, I think it will be the area that will be our Achilles heel next season. Still can't wait for the season to start but I think expectation is way too high.

I was always a bit reserved about how people were thinking it'd be easy to just get in to the top 6 just because a couple of other sides hadn't improved much on their squads.

 

Totally echo the first paragraph for sure. Some astute signings from all of them especially West Ham (Fornals, not to mention Lanzini back as well) and the Arsenal signings you mention (their defence still a bit suspect).

We could be in for an entertaining albeit tough season. To get top 6 would be a superb achievement. 

[FoxinNotts]

Everton and Arsenal need centre backs. Wolves need more numbers to sustain their games in Europe as well. West Ham look weak in the centre mid areas. I also think we have the best manager out of the five clubs mentioned

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

£55m is a pathetic bid for Zaha. £65m should be the minimum. 

Worth the same as Riyad, never. 55m is steep imo hes a 40m pound player at most even then I'd feel like we'd been ripped off

Edited 28 July 2019 by whoareyaaa

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

£55m is a pathetic bid for Zaha. £65m should be the minimum. 

 

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

Worth the same as Riyad, never. 55m is steep imo

Zaha will never be on the same level as Mahrez. £50m is pushing it imo for a winger who's best goal scoring season was last season with a massive .... 10 goals.

[Unabomber]

Also guys on Zaha I have seen a few polls etc on twitter re the best player out of the top 6 and while we all know it’s vardy loads of people mention Zaha. I seriously don’t understand this, how can it possibly be Zaha can someone please advise on his stats, I swear vardy is streets ahead? What has Zaha actually ever done in terms of goals and assists? He just showboats and weird Palace ultras think that makes him Messi.

[Unabomber]

9 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

 

Zaha will never be on the same level as Mahrez. £50m is pushing it imo for a winger who's best goal scoring season was last season with a massive .... 10 goals.

****inghell he is nowhere near Mahrez and never will be. We got robbed with our sale of Mahrez.

[StanSP]

Zaha is one of the most over-rated, overhyped players in the league.

 

That's not to say he's good, but to be touted as some megastar, world-class winger is wide of the mark.

 

He's had 6 seasons in the Premier League. Granted in the early stages he was very young and perhaps inexperienced, but he's 26 now and it's not like he's set the world on fire or anything.

 

In those seasons, he's only got 10+ goals twice (last season being one of them) and for assists, only got 10+ twice as well. 

 

You can give some lee-way considering he's in a poor & under-achieving Palace squad. I'd still expect more from him. I just don't rate him as much as several others do. To go for £55-65m is a huge price but transfer fees in today's market are a bit of a sham these days anyway.

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

I'll be honest, with Everton, West Ham and Wolves now adding some quality to their squads and Arsenal getting Pepe and Cellabos the supposed inevitability of us getting top 6 next season isn't anywhere near certain.

 

I'm also less enthralled with the news that we aren't looking to bring in another winger, I think it will be the area that will be our Achilles heel next season. Still can't wait for the season to start but I think expectation is way too high.

It'll be a fierce battle to make the top six now even with a frankly incredibly exciting team. It'll be a great season for neutrals.

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Also guys on Zaha I have seen a few polls etc on twitter re the best player out of the top 6 and while we all know it’s vardy loads of people mention Zaha. I seriously don’t understand this, how can it possibly be Zaha can someone please advise on his stats, I swear vardy is streets ahead? What has Zaha actually ever done in terms of goals and assists? He just showboats and weird Palace ultras think that makes him Messi.

Loads of people used to mention Zaha when Mahrez was still here. There's several better players outside the top 6 than Zaha. 

 

A quality winger, that people refer to, contributes more than 10 goals a season. In his last three season's he's scored 7, 9 and 10 in the league. Overrated. And he dives.

 

Palace fans are strange too.

 

Also Una I totally agree about us being robbed with the Mahrez fee. That's why it's good to see us holding out for Maguire.

Edited 28 July 2019 by Fox92

[AyewJoking]

You could argue zaha is palace's most important player so why should they not want a fee in excess of £60 million?

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Zaha is a good player and in this crazy market, with 4 years left on his deal in which he earns over £100k a week then Palace have every right to want north of £60m for him.

 

 

[StriderHiryu]

1 hour ago, FoxinNotts said:

Everton and Arsenal need centre backs. Wolves need more numbers to sustain their games in Europe as well. West Ham look weak in the centre mid areas. I also think we have the best manager out of the five clubs mentioned

This is what should make the season super interesting and competitive. I don't think anyone on the forum is taking a top 6/7 finish for granted, because it will be hard. But it's definitely possible for the reasons you've listed above.

 

If we look at the top 10 finishers from last year:

- Man City. One of the best first teams and the best squad. Their only weakness (a lack of replacement for Fernandinho) was fixed with the signing of Rodri.

- Liverpool. One of the best first teams but some squad issues, despite some players returning from long-term injuries. Will have the most amount of games to play with the Club world cup.

- Chelsea. Lost one of their best ever players and replaced with a questionable signing in Pulisic. Novice manager at the helm and can't sign any more players. Experienced squad, but lack of a top goalscorer. They could be in for a tough season if they don't start well.

- Spurs. I begrudgingly have to say they could be in good shape. Already signed Ndombele who I think will be a great player and looks like they are getting Lo Celso too. Can't see them finishing worse than 3rd they could maybe even push higher depending on how Liverpool's squad fares over the season.

- Arsenal. Not fixed their biggest issue in sorting out their defence. Ceballos likely to be a great signing, Pepe and Tierney also good. But overall they would still have the same weaknesses as last season. Their spot is there for the taking IMO.

- Manchester United. Only signed one notable player so far, though expect them to make some more huge ones before deadline day. One of those players could be from us! Novice manager and unhappy camp and their issues aren't currently fixed. Hard to predict with this lot, but I think their place is also there for the taking.

- Wolves. Very good first team but lack of squad depth could cause problems if they progress well in Europe, which I think they will do. Can't see them finishing worse than 9th but think they will drop a position or two simply because of being stretched by too many games.

- Everton. Dark horses IMO. Two pretty mediocre seasons but still finished 8th each time. Rich owners and a great DoF (Marcel Brands). I think they will do the same as last season and wait till basically the end of the window and strike with some great signings. The thing that goes against them is a fairly poor record against top 6 sides and a lack of time to bed in new players they bring in. But them going so under the radar I think is dangerous.

- Leicester. Very solid first team with proven goalkeeper, centre backs and striker. Signed their number 1 priority player over the summer. Got in big signings quickly to play all of preseason. Didn't travel the world but focused on local matches to improve players and style. Signed another club's best player to add goals up front. Proven manager with motivation to do well in a new spell in the league. Young, hungry team who appear to be getting better with every match. Doubts over if there are enough goals in the front 3 compared to their rivals. But if you weigh things up, it's easy to see why Leicester are being talked about as looking like being in contention for a higher finish.

- West Ham. Manager has previously won the league. Got rid of a problematic individual and replaced him with a striker highly rated in Europe. Signed an extremely exiting Spanish midfielder. Have some good players already in the squad. Will be interesting to see how they get on as they are a notoriously inconsistent side.

 

I think if you look at all of that, there is plenty of reasons to get excited. We will know more when the season starts of course and the first game is already quite a high pressure one IMO, as Wolves are likely to be in the mix with us come the finale.

[Fox92]

38 minutes ago, Royston. said:

You could argue zaha is palace's most important player so why should they not want a fee in excess of £60 million?

 

 

Yeah, I'm not debating that. He's clearly worth more than £60mill to Palace but I was just talking about him generally as a player.

[gurru991]

8 hours ago, Midlands yellow said:

Norwich won’t be anywhere near the bottom 3 so don’t worry . 

Not too sure about that !!

the defence is a bit suspect

[AyewJoking]

19 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Yeah, I'm not debating that. He's clearly worth more than £60mill to Palace but I was just talking about him generally as a player.

Agree.

Take his average stats away from the team though and palace would struggle.

Maybe a statto could look further into this.....

[sm1]

5 minutes ago, Royston. said:

Agree.

Take his average stats away from the team though and palace would struggle.

Maybe a statto could look further into this.....

I think the stats something stupid like Palace not winning a game for 2+ years without Zaha. Ironically that sequence was broken when they beat us. They are basically a one man team and Zaha’s value to them is huge. If they sell him and subsequently get relegated, they'd lose 100s of millions. 

[Wymsey]

What do people think about Pogba?

 

Not sure what his actual position is, as he's been very inconsistent and hardly an inspiration to the younger players such as Daniel James etc.

 

Reckon he'll stay at Man United - him and the club suit each other at the moment, in terms of being an over-paid player and over-hyped.

 

Edited 28 July 2019 by Wymeswold fox

[z-layrex]

39 minutes ago, Royston. said:

Agree.

Take his average stats away from the team though and palace would struggle.

Maybe a statto could look further into this.....

This was posted 10 months ago on reddit.

[HybridFox]

Is it me or were there barely any televised pre season games this year?

 

I'm happy ours were all shown by the club of course. But seems significantly less on the whole, I remember the International Champions cup and Emirates cup etc being dead certs