Loan watch 2019-20

[Nicolo Barella]

7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

At present, looking at all our loanees currently out there, I think we could field a pretty decent B squad that would perform quite well in most major European leagues. Discuss.

Assuming our first 11 is

 

Schmeichel

Ricardo Evans Soyuncu Chilwell

Tielemans Ndidi Maddison

Perez Vardy Barnes

 

Our B team is

Ward

J.J Benkovic Morgan Fuchs

Praet Hamza Silva

Albrighton Slimani Gray

 

I feel like that would get relegated from the PL tbh.

[Nicolo Barella]

26 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Assuming our first 11 is

 

Schmeichel

Ricardo Evans Soyuncu Chilwell

Tielemans Ndidi Maddison

Perez Vardy Barnes

 

Our B team is

Ward

J.J Benkovic Morgan Fuchs

Praet Hamza Silva

Albrighton Slimani Gray

 

I feel like that would get relegated from the PL tbh.

I revise that actually, Iheanacho for Silva leaves a more balanced team

 

Assuming we got European football, we'd need a new backup striker, new starting winger, new centre back, new left back, and maybe even another winger if we sold Gray 

[Foxxed]

Here's Josh's assist from yesterday for their third goal. He's number eight. As with his last assist he intercepts the ball, runs upfield with two strikes either side, finds Mo Eisa on the right who then slots it home. It looks like Josh could easily get in most championship squads. Posh fans think he's a different class. 

 

This loans seems to be doing him good. He was playing right back, then centre half, then defensive midfield and now in this loan he's in the centre of the park. Come Christmas I'd hope he takes a step up into the Championship.

[Vardinio'sCat]

11 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

He got a number of assists for us!! 2016/17 season think he got 6 in 13 starts

 

Ahh, I completely failed to remember or check that. My bad.

[LCFC1996]

Daniel Iversen - Rotherham United, 90 minutes in the 1-0 defeat to Bristol Rovers (League One)

- Total Appearances: 9

- Total Clean Sheets: 2

 

Josh Knight - Peterborough United, 90 minutes and an assist in a 3-2 victory over Wimbledon (League One)

- Total Appearances: 11

- Total Goals: 1

 

Layton Ndukwu - Southend United, no involvement in a 1-0 defeat to Accrington Stanley (League One)

- Total Appearances: 8

- Total Goals: 0

 

Ryan Loft - Carlisle United, a start, a goal and a 4-2 against Wolves U23 (EFL Trophy), then on as a 2nd half sub in a 1-0 victory over Oldham (League Two)

- Total Appearances: 12

- Total Goals: 2

 

Sam Hughes - Salford City, unused sub in the 4-0 defeat to Forest Green (League Two)

- Total Appearances: 3

- Total Goals: 0

 

Kamal Sowah - OH Leuven, brought on in Extra Time of the 2-0 defeat to Sint-Truiden (Belgian Cup), then 72 minutes in the 2-1 victory against Beerschot (Belgian First Division B)

- Total Appearances: 10

- Total Goals: 3

 

Andy King - Rangers, on as a 2nd half sub in the 1-0 Quarter Final victory over Livingston (Scottish League Cup), was then an unused sub for the 5-0 victory over Aberdeen (Scottish Premiership)

- Total Appearances: 5

- Total Goals: 0

 

Islam Slimani - Monaco, 90 minutes, an assist and a disallowed goal in the 3-1 victory over Nice, then another 3 assists and a goal from the penalty spot in a 4-1 win over Brest (both games in Ligue 1)

- Total Appearances: 5

- Total Goals: 4

 

Adrien Silva - Monaco, on as a late substitute in the 3-1 victory over Nice, then subbed on late again in the 4-1 victory over Brest (both games in Ligue 1)

- Total Appearances: 6

- Total Goals: 0

 

Fousseni Diabate - Amiens, 53 minutes in a 3-1 defeat to Bordeaux, then a role as an unused sub in the 1-1 draw against Angers (both games in Ligue 1)

- Total Appearances: 3

- Total Goals: 0

 

Rachid Ghezzal - Fiorentina, unused sub in a 2-1 win against Sampdoria, then on as a late sub in a 3-1 win against Milan (both games in Serie A)

- Total Appearances: 1

- Total Goals: 0 

[That_Dude]

On 28/09/2019 at 22:16, Ric Flair said:

Am I the only one who thought he played quite well with Vardy?

He could have had the same role with us as what he's doing at Monaco, in a 4-4-2. That's why I hoped at least. A stronghold, weighting physically on a defense, creating openings and taking care of them crosses coming in the box.

 

Remember when people here laughed at his passing, his inability to read the game, hold the ball, get either in good positions or create spaces by his runs. His heading was ridiculed because he couldn't win defensive flicks. He was labelled as slow and lazy. Right. The truth is that he came here at the worst possible time. He never was given a real chance, neither Claudio or Shakespeare played to his strengths and he fell out with Vardy. Puel came then in, had other ideas and the rest is history.

 

A truly awful deal for both sides. Hopefully he keeps banging them there so we can get back a bit of cash. We moved on and I don't think he'd want to come back anyway.

Edited 1 October 2019 by That_Dude

[Captain...]

On 28/09/2019 at 21:16, Ric Flair said:

Am I the only one who thought he played quite well with Vardy?

He wasn't terrible, but Vardy and Slimani just do not work together. Vardy can't press on his own he just ends up chasing shadows, he needs mobile players round him to stretch the defence and put them under pressure creating space. Slimani just wasn't mobile enough to play a support role to Vardy it nullified our press and our counter. The alternative is have Slimani lead the line and Vardy play a little deeper and feed off big Slim. Vardy isn't that good at a link up role so he ends up out wide and our shape is gone with our best player being marginalised. 

 

The other option would have been alternate between Vardy and Slimani, Slimani to batter down stubborn defences like Burnley in games where we have more possession. Vardy then plays against the big boys, but Vardy is just too damn good.

 

A serious injury to Vardy is the only way I could see Slimani return in January but I don't see them ever being able to play together, even if they did get on off the pitch.

[bmt]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/30/monaco-found-winning-formula-leonardo-jardim-lyon-st-etienne

 

article which talks about Monaco and slim with a fair bit of detail 

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Captain... said:

He wasn't terrible, but Vardy and Slimani just do not work together. Vardy can't press on his own he just ends up chasing shadows, he needs mobile players round him to stretch the defence and put them under pressure creating space. Slimani just wasn't mobile enough to play a support role to Vardy it nullified our press and our counter. The alternative is have Slimani lead the line and Vardy play a little deeper and feed off big Slim. Vardy isn't that good at a link up role so he ends up out wide and our shape is gone with our best player being marginalised. 

 

The other option would have been alternate between Vardy and Slimani, Slimani to batter down stubborn defences like Burnley in games where we have more possession. Vardy then plays against the big boys, but Vardy is just too damn good.

 

A serious injury to Vardy is the only way I could see Slimani return in January but I don't see them ever being able to play together, even if they did get on off the pitch.

A lot of what you say is probably true but I remember a number of games they did look very good together but it relied on the whole team executing the ideal game.plan. The pressing issue you mention is what led to our demise as a counter attacking force under Ranieri, we no longer pressed as a team and I suppose that was caused by Slimani playing over Okazaki but Albrighton and Mahrez stopped doing so and without Kante, Amartey and Drinkwater didn't close the spaces high up the pitch.

 

As someone else said above, Slimani came here at completely the wrong time. I just don't agree he couldn't play with Vardy as they did work well together in patches.

[sm1]

Slim and Vardy started together in one of our best PL performances,  when we beat Man City 4-2. I think the problem was that we were a very tight nit team from the previous year and Slim just didn't fit into it. He didn't learn the language and certainly from the body language, didn't seem to adhere himself to his team mates. Class of personality,  lack of confidence,  in the end it has been a disaster for both parties. 

[Blue ROI]

13 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Slim and Vardy started together in one of our best PL performances,  when we beat Man City 4-2. I think the problem was that we were a very tight nit team from the previous year and Slim just didn't fit into it. He didn't learn the language and certainly from the body language, didn't seem to adhere himself to his team mates. Class of personality,  lack of confidence,  in the end it has been a disaster for both parties. 

Close but not quite. Slim's goals helped keep us in the league as they were worth a lot of points. 30 million was a lot but those goals helped stave off relegation/financial disaster. We got about 10 million or so's worth from him on the field.

 

Slim was always up against it with the price tag but the 2016 signings didn't help. We were all over the shop after 7 or so great years. Seemed to be buying players for the sake of it. 

 

In fairness a downturn was inevitable after so much brilliance from 09-16.

 

We got it badly wrong in 2016, N'Didi was a turning point and 2018 is looking like the polar opposite of 2016.

Edited 1 October 2019 by Blue ROI

[Captain...]

42 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

A lot of what you say is probably true but I remember a number of games they did look very good together but it relied on the whole team executing the ideal game.plan. The pressing issue you mention is what led to our demise as a counter attacking force under Ranieri, we no longer pressed as a team and I suppose that was caused by Slimani playing over Okazaki but Albrighton and Mahrez stopped doing so and without Kante, Amartey and Drinkwater didn't close the spaces high up the pitch.

 

As someone else said above, Slimani came here at completely the wrong time. I just don't agree he couldn't play with Vardy as they did work well together in patches.

The problem was always going to be to play to Slimani's strengths you'd have to marginalise Vardy and he's just too damn good for that. What was surprising is that Puel, who didn't seem to be a big fan of Vardy, didn't give Slimani more of a go, letting him go on loan to Newcastle was an odd decision. He played well against Huddersfield early January and looked decent while Vardy was out. 

 

I guess it's just one that wasn't meant to be, joined at an impossible time for a ridiculous fee. 

[Guest Cujek]

On 29/09/2019 at 12:15, Nicolo Barella said:

Assuming our first 11 is

 

Schmeichel

Ricardo Evans Soyuncu Chilwell

Tielemans Ndidi Maddison

Perez Vardy Barnes

 

Our B team is

Ward

J.J Benkovic Morgan Fuchs

Praet Hamza Silva

Albrighton Slimani Gray

 

I feel like that would get relegated from the PL tbh.

That b team is better than Newcastle and Watford and would give villa and Norwich a run. 

[brucey]

2 hours ago, Captain... said:

The problem was always going to be to play to Slimani's strengths you'd have to marginalise Vardy and he's just too damn good for that. What was surprising is that Puel, who didn't seem to be a big fan of Vardy, didn't give Slimani more of a go, letting him go on loan to Newcastle was an odd decision. He played well against Huddersfield early January and looked decent while Vardy was out. 

 

I guess it's just one that wasn't meant to be, joined at an impossible time for a ridiculous fee. 

I think Puel’s main issue with Vardy was his age, as he seemed fixated on replacing all of the older players with kids, even where it didn’t make any sense like putting Gray in Vardy’s place. Slimani is about as old as Vardy so there’s no way he’d be in favour.

[sacreblueits442]

5 hours ago, Captain... said:

He wasn't terrible, but Vardy and Slimani just do not work together. Vardy can't press on his own he just ends up chasing shadows, he needs mobile players round him to stretch the defence and put them under pressure creating space. Slimani just wasn't mobile enough to play a support role to Vardy it nullified our press and our counter. The alternative is have Slimani lead the line and Vardy play a little deeper and feed off big Slim. Vardy isn't that good at a link up role so he ends up out wide and our shape is gone with our best player being marginalised. 

 

The other option would have been alternate between Vardy and Slimani, Slimani to batter down stubborn defences like Burnley in games where we have more possession. Vardy then plays against the big boys, but Vardy is just too damn good.

 

A serious injury to Vardy is the only way I could see Slimani return in January but I don't see them ever being able to play together, even if they did get on off the pitch.

...perhaps what we are seeing at Monaco is a sign of maturity coming from Slimani!!!

 His present performance bears no resemblance of what has gone before at the clubs he has recently played for. The fact that Fenerbahce wanted to send him back and Newcastle not willing to give him time on the pitch, can only point to be luck, that he has found his Goldilocks club.

  It seems that there is some revisionism in to Slimanis' time with us, with the onfield disputes with several members of the team and his unwillingness to play balls which he decided was not worth competing for even though he could put pressure on the the opponents back line. He was perceived as lazy, but it really was arrogance on his part, and if you have a unified team working for each other, that attitude is not going to endear you to anyone.

  Or maybe, someone has taken him to one side, after his AFCON exhibition regarding the presentation and confirmed to him, that he really can't continue to be an idiot all his life!!!!

[Nicolo Barella]

2 hours ago, Cujek said:

That b team is better than Newcastle and Watford and would give villa and Norwich a run. 

Nah, Watford would have been fine if they didn't sack Gracia foolishly and escalate their issues. I'll give you Newcastle though, and maybe Villa who have no goalscorer outside one of their midfielders.

[TJB-fox]

That B team is horrendous, would certainly be relegated. 

[Shane]

6 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

That B team is horrendous, would certainly be relegated. 

Agreed.

 

Apart from our midfield and Justin at RB, our squad depth is a bit overrated. Needs improving if we make it into Europe. 

[Eagle10]

12 hours ago, Captain... said:

He wasn't terrible, but Vardy and Slimani just do not work together. Vardy can't press on his own he just ends up chasing shadows, he needs mobile players round him to stretch the defence and put them under pressure creating space. Slimani just wasn't mobile enough to play a support role to Vardy it nullified our press and our counter. The alternative is have Slimani lead the line and Vardy play a little deeper and feed off big Slim. Vardy isn't that good at a link up role so he ends up out wide and our shape is gone with our best player being marginalised. 

 

The other option would have been alternate between Vardy and Slimani, Slimani to batter down stubborn defences like Burnley in games where we have more possession. Vardy then plays against the big boys, but Vardy is just too damn good.

 

A serious injury to Vardy is the only way I could see Slimani return in January but I don't see them ever being able to play together, even if they did get on off the pitch.

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

Edited 1 October 2019 by Eagle10

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

Evening James ........

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

Is there a competition today for contrary nonsense?

[Lambert09]

9 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

[brucey]

10 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

How many Leicester games do you watch as a Sporting CP fan?

[Chocolate Teapot]

9 minutes ago, brucey said:

How many Leicester games do you watch as a Sporting CP fan?

Hes a weird Slimani fan, only appears on here to discusd him. He might actually be Slimani.

[nwl fox]

40 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Vardy isn't too damn good. He is pretty good for BPL and has a good goal ratio, but he isn't that big of a deal if you ask me. Many strikers better than him in the PL. For me the best at City at the moment and the one I enjoy watching play the most is James Maddison for sure.

I feel like your next line may well be "Leicester is Rugby team without Slimani. Slimani wins the hair"!