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He was very good on the ball, but his work off it needs improving but it will, I'm sure. Look at maddison this season.  Perez on saturday backed out of so many challenges he was clear favourite to win, he's petrified of a physical battle. 

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1 hour ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He was very good on the ball, but his work off it needs improving but it will, I'm sure. Look at maddison this season.  Perez on saturday backed out of so many challenges he was clear favourite to win, he's petrified of a physical battle. 

And yet is consistently one of the top tacklers and ball winners in the opposition's half according to previous years stats. I remember when we signed him we were told he will at times look lightweight and not aggressive enough but will win a lot of tackles and overturns from pressing.

 

He's going to be one of those erratic players which we've seen many over the years for us.

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On 23/09/2019 at 08:55, Ric Flair said:

Perez is prolific compared with Albrighton and Gray, he usually gets 8-10 a season from RW and last year he got 13.

But whilst I think that he will be able to perform on the wing in the 4-1-4-1, I think saying he was a right winger at Newcastle is like saying Salah last season was Liverpool's right winger. Technically correct, but does not fully encompass their role, contributions and even overall  position in attack to the team. I actually think he could perform well in the second striker role that Barnes ably took on after Perez got subbed off.

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On 23/09/2019 at 09:17, Nicolo Barella said:

But whilst I think that he will be able to perform on the wing in the 4-1-4-1, I think saying he was a right winger at Newcastle is like saying Salah last season was Liverpool's right winger. Technically correct, but does not fully encompass their role, contributions and even overall  position in attack to the team. I actually think he could perform well in the second striker role that Barnes ably took on after Perez got subbed off.

Haha he's a modern forward who doesn't stick to the touch line and only concentrate on crossing but to simply say he is being played out of position is incorrect. For Newcastle he has spent the large majority of his career being selected to play wide right but obviously drifts in with the ball or when the action comes from the left hand side trying to attack crosses (see his winner against us last season). We don't need him to maintain that width constantly down the right, we have one of the best right backs in Ricardo and Perez offering the decoy was used with great effect on Saturday and he did what he does best at pressing and over turning the ball on a number of occasions. People make out like he's come here as the ideal Okazaki replacement and should be played off Vardy but in reality he's never been restricted to that as his favoured role. If he is going to do well here it's in a 4-1-4-1 formation or as you say as the 2nd forward in the diamond where he can drift all over the place.

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

And yet is consistently one of the top tacklers and ball winners in the opposition's half according to previous years stats. I remember when we signed him we were told he will at times look lightweight and not aggressive enough but will win a lot of tackles and overturns from pressing.

 

He's going to be one of those erratic players which we've seen many over the years for us.

Yea it surprised me a little on Saturday how little a fight he put up against rose at times by his ball control in the tight areas was beautiful to watch, I'm quite lucky with where I sit so had a great view of his play first half as it tended to be right in front of me when he was hit by kasper. 

 

Maybe once he's more confident/comfortable he'll add it back to his game and we'll have a really good player on our hands? 

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On 20/09/2019 at 13:02, Dan LCFC said:

Maddison just doesn't score as many as he should. I think he's good enough to get better at that but he's scored three goals from open play for us, none in nine months.

Works every time. Get in.

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He has some nice touches so obviously has quality. I have a feeling he is over thinking the simple stuff at the moment.

 

I think if we give him time he will come good. 

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My worry is that anyone persued can just say it's someoneelse's liability.

Re the sum.  Having had an experience where we calculated the loss of earnings plus addional expences coz someome is no longer there. ...we then had to subtract the future living costs of the deceased! 

I expect they will have to go some to justify more than 1mill

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3 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

My worry is that anyone persued can just say it's someoneelse's liability.

Re the sum.  Having had an experience where we calculated the loss of earnings plus addional expences coz someome is no longer there. ...we then had to subtract the future living costs of the deceased! 

I expect they will have to go some to justify more than 1mill

Wrong thread!

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On 21/09/2019 at 18:36, Claridge said:

I thought he was excellent 50% of the time and awful 50%. Bit like Barnes, who was probably more 60/40 

Thankyou for that percentage insight. so useful....... :facepalm:

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45 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

My worry is that anyone persued can just say it's someoneelse's liability.

Re the sum.  Having had an experience where we calculated the loss of earnings plus addional expences coz someome is no longer there. ...we then had to subtract the future living costs of the deceased! 

I expect they will have to go some to justify more than 1mill

.. wrong thread!!! 

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On 23/09/2019 at 09:17, Nicolo Barella said:

But whilst I think that he will be able to perform on the wing in the 4-1-4-1, I think saying he was a right winger at Newcastle is like saying Salah last season was Liverpool's right winger. Technically correct, but does not fully encompass their role, contributions and even overall  position in attack to the team. I actually think he could perform well in the second striker role that Barnes ably took on after Perez got subbed off.

Traditional winger... no... inside forward... yes. 

 

His heat maps aren't much different to what he's doing here, other than we're finding him too deep, too often IMO. 

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On 13/09/2019 at 08:50, murphy said:

 

Why does it have to be so confrontational?

 

This muppet feels quite entitled to have an opinion about a player that is very well known in the PL and whether or not I think it's good business for us to sign him for £30m or whether we should have been aiming much higher.

 

Not every signing is a success.  Not every Rodgers/Congerton signing works out.

 

You disagree?  Fine, but I do resent the fact that if you raise your head above the parapet to voice concerns you are automatically tarred as part of some kind of nay-saying hate mob.  I don't particularly enjoy being on this side of the argument and you don't know the first thing about me so please spare me the lazy assumptions.

 

As it happens I was 'Puel in', I was positive about the signing of some of our high profile failures like Nacho and Silva for example, I have rallied against the abuse that Wes gets on here and Ghezzal, preached patience in Chilwell's first year but it is witlessly assumed by the hard of thinking that one opinion puts you into one camp.  Things are not so black and white.

 

I call it as I see it.  Largely I have been very positive about recent signings - Youri, Justin, Maddison, Evans, Ricardo.  Those I think are mistakes or overspends I have called too - Ghezzal, Perez.  What is wrong with that on a forum in which our opinions are kinda the whole point? 

 

 

 

I just think anyone with the name Murphy tends to talk bollocks about football. Nothing personal

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On 23/09/2019 at 08:55, Ric Flair said:

Perez is prolific compared with Albrighton and Gray, he usually gets 8-10 a season from RW and last year he got 13.

Yes Perez is prolific compared to our wide players. 

I was thinking of Albrighton, Barnes, Gray. When I said our wide players are not prolific enough.

I don't see Perez as a wide player, he's not quick enough. He is technically good though with an eye for Goal.

Forget what he done elsewhere. it means nothing here. He has to do it and deliver all over again.

At the moment he's still trying to find out where he fits into our plan going forward. That's the challenge for both him and BR.

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6 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Yes Perez is prolific compared to our wide players. 

I was thinking of Albrighton, Barnes, Gray. When I said our wide players are not prolific enough.

I don't see Perez as a wide player, he's not quick enough. He is technically good though with an eye for Goal.

Forget what he done elsewhere. it means nothing here. He has to do it and deliver all over again.

At the moment he's still trying to find out where he fits into our plan going forward. That's the challenge for both him and BR.

But he's always played off the right, I don't understand why fans think he plays a different position to the one he's played the majority of his time at Newcastle. 

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11 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

But he's always played off the right, I don't understand why fans think he plays a different position to the one he's played the majority of his time at Newcastle. 

This. We signed him to play as a right winger, it’s clear as day. The fans who are saying he isn’t a right winger, inside forward or whatever have no other solution to the problem (which they are creating) other than saying put Albrighton back in, but it’s clear BR wants someone with goal threat coming in off that side, and unfortunately, as good as Albrighton is at what he does, he won’t get the goals that Perez has proven in his Premier League career will. 

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I know I've banged on about he's a right winger when fans have said he's playing out of position but thinking about his role at Newcastle, they always played with a left footed left winger in Ritchie, Atsu or Kenedy. I wonder if we need to consider how the team as a whole fairs with Perez playing as a right winger but who's primary role is to drift wherever the fcuk he likes. He scored a fair few goals from attacking crosses coming in from the left, such as that bloody winner against us last season. The issue we have is, all our left wingers (Barnes, Albrighton or even Gray) are right footed and cut inside, so the crosses are likely to come from Chilwell who has webbed feet. I have long thought Barnes might be better suited on the right where he has Ricardo as support, so maybe Perez could shift to the left, or Albrighton play there if he continues to disappoint?

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