James Justin

[MPH]

If he’s not played like maldini AND Ronaldo within the first 30 minutes of his first comeback game, I want him gone.

[davieG]

33 minutes ago, MPH said:

If he’s not played like maldini AND Ronaldo within the first 30 minutes of his first comeback game, I want him gone.

Wont happen he'll be a much better player now he's not played for a while.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

The after effects of winning the FA Cup, the come down to the daily grind after the euphoria maybe affecting some players. You also have to think that Youri is being affected by transfer/contract talk decisions.

I think another catastrophe dropping out of the top 4 has probably had a profound impact. Losing confidence in what we can achieve, maybe themselves and the manager. You can only hit that glass ceiling for so long.

[davieG]

49 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I think another catastrophe dropping out of the top 4 has probably had a profound impact. Losing confidence in what we can achieve, maybe themselves and the manager. You can only hit that glass ceiling for so long.

Yeah that too and probably more so. 

[Chrysalis]

In employment, if you believe in your manager, you go that extra mile for him/her.  Hence everyone is always looking for the moment when they believe the manager has lost the players.

 

I am finding it hard to guess this one, every so often the players put in a better performance, they attack, and they show they have some passion, usually when a manager has lost the players, they just bad every game.

[davieG]

If you list the injured players Fofana, Evans and maybe Justin, those coming back who have not fully recovered their form Barnes, Ricardo and the lack of form of our two creative players Youri and Maddison that's half the team.

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

He was genuinely on his way to looking like a Kyle Walker/TAA hybrid by the time he got injured. Massive boost if he can come back the same player and pick up where he left off.

But here’s the thing, he simply won’t. It’s unnatural, that’s why players train every day.  If you can stop for a year and come back the same, well they’ve all been wasting their time.

 

Just like Ricardo, just like Barnes, he’s going to need a lot of time to reach those levels.  All that will happen when he returns is that we will see loads of threads on him questioning if he’s good enough. Because this forum is so focused on the short term. 

[Chocolate Teapot]

2 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

But here’s the thing, he simply won’t. It’s unnatural, that’s why players train every day.  If you can stop for a year and come back the same, well they’ve all been wasting their time.

 

Just like Ricardo, just like Barnes, he’s going to need a lot of time to reach those levels.  All that will happen when he returns is that we will see loads of threads on him questioning if he’s good enough. Because this forum is so focused on the short term. 

Also less than a year ago since some melons were questioning whether he's up to it?

[sacreblueits442]

11 minutes ago, davieG said:

If you list the injured players Fofana, Evans and maybe Justin, those coming back who have not fully recovered their form Barnes, Ricardo and the lack of form of our two creative players Youri and Maddison that's half the team.

...we have had periods of poor performances even when those players were in the team!!!

Not doubting the impact in regards to injuries or loss of form, but when we find ourselves in this situation it is like a malaise sweeping throughout the club and the only time it seems to be brought under control is when we start the new season.

  It would be unusual if one person can affect a team atmosphere but the situation regarding Youri must be having an effect on the balance and mentality of the team and the club needs to address this as a matter of importance. Whether he is staying or going does not engender long term planning, and we are in limbo at this moment. The club needs to remember the priority is the club not an individual whether that is Tielemans or Rodgers and some words may have to be said to enact a catalyst to turn this around.

[messerschmitt]

On 05/10/2021 at 10:54, Babylon said:

It's one of numerous issues, what people have an issue with is people acting like  missing three of our four best defenders, and the other one is only just finding his was back from a serious injury has no impact. There are other issues, as we've had long spells of shit even with a number of them playing. 

We saw the impact missing a couple of key defenders had on Liverpool last season. Klopp went down the square peg round hole route and turned it around last quarter, but it wasn't pretty till then.

[coolhandfox]

23 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

But here’s the thing, he simply won’t. It’s unnatural, that’s why players train every day.  If you can stop for a year and come back the same, well they’ve all been wasting their time.

 

Just like Ricardo, just like Barnes, he’s going to need a lot of time to reach those levels.  All that will happen when he returns is that we will see loads of threads on him questioning if he’s good enough. Because this forum is so focused on the short term. 

Some better tell Van Djik, as he seems to have comeback like he's been away a week!

[Beechey]

On 05/10/2021 at 10:57, filbertway said:

I'd agree it's a combination, but at the end of the day. We have Soyuncu who has played a huge part in the past 2 season. Ricardo and Castagne are proven top class international players. Vestergaard was being lauded as some defensive genius by people here when we signed him. 

 

This is not us scrabbling around trying to put a back 4 together, the quality available to the manager is more than sufficient to be playing a hell of a lot better.

Uh yes it is? We have 2 fit CBs, and unfortunately, both are well out of form. Then we have RBs in Ricardo that's clearly still not up to speed with the game after a long-term injury, and Castagne who has also just recently come back from a horrendous injury.

Now to top it off, our DM who normally shields the centre backs is injured.

 

Soyuncu is the only starting defender we have available that's not been seriously injured recently, and has also played with the rest of the team for a long time.

At best, our currently ideal back 4 has 2 or 3 players that have recently been seriously injured or just arrived at the club.

 

Let's not pretend we've not had an injury crisis at the start of this season.

Edited 6 October 2021 by Beechey

[Long Eaton Fox]

Is their an actual time predicted for Justins return?

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Beechey said:

Uh yes it is? We have 2 fit CBs, and unfortunately, both are well out of form. Then we have RBs in Ricardo that's clearly still not up to speed with the game after a long-term injury, and Castagne who has also just recently come back from a horrendous injury.

Now to top it off, our DM who normally shields the centre backs is injured.

 

Soyuncu is the only starting defender we have available that's not been seriously injured recently, and has also played with the rest of the team for a long time.

 

Let's not pretend we've not had an injury crisis at the start of this season.

Alright guy. I was wrong, we've working with players that would struggle to get a game for Wrexham and it's the major contributing factor to us not looking like the team we did about 18 months ago.

[Beechey]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Alright guy. I was wrong, we've working with players that would struggle to get a game for Wrexham and it's the major contributing factor to us not looking like the team we did about 18 months ago.

What on Earth does that even mean, guy?

Edited 6 October 2021 by Beechey

[foxinsocks]

7 minutes ago, Beechey said:

Uh yes it is? We have 2 fit CBs, and unfortunately, both are well out of form. Then we have RBs in Ricardo that's clearly still not up to speed with the game after a long-term injury, and Castagne who has also just recently come back from a horrendous injury.

Now to top it off, our DM who normally shields the centre backs is injured.

 

Soyuncu is the only starting defender we have available that's not been seriously injured recently, and has also played with the rest of the team for a long time.

 

Let's not pretend we've not had an injury crisis at the start of this season.

We have three fit CBS.  Imo cags and bid dan are the best and should be played week in week out.

Further  it is clear that we can not play without a DM.  Why mendy is not in the squad after the job he did last season when wilf was out I find baffling.   Rodgers needs to change this.  Taking hamsa off v palace was a big mistake.

 

Clearly we have to wait and see how justin is  on his return... if he is anywhere near last years form then that will be a massive lift for us.

Edited 6 October 2021 by foxinsocks

[Beechey]

9 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

We have three hits CBS.  Imo cags and bid dan are the best and should be played week in week out.

Further  it us clear that we can not play without a DM.  Why mandy is not in the squad after the job he did last season when wilf was out I find baffling.   Rodgers needs to change this.  Taking hamsa off v palace was a big mistake.

 

Clearly we have to wait and see how justin is  on his return... if he is anywhere near last years form then that will be a massive lift for us.

I don't get the people that think we shouldn't struggle after throwing random, new, or injured defenders together. It's not how it works. Of our best back line last season, only 1 of them has not been injured recently. The defence is the worst area of the pitch to be forced into chopping and changing players.

They're competing against well-drilled, top quality, professional athletes. Of course they will struggle, they hardly know each other's games. They've been here for literally a matter of weeks.

We should all have known this season would be a struggle when Castagne, Evans, Justin and Fofana were all injured at the start of the season.

 

The Wilf injury just tops it off.

Edited 6 October 2021 by Beechey

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, Beechey said:

I don't get the people that think we shouldn't struggle after throwing random, new, or injured defenders together. It's not how it works. Of our best back line last season, only 1 of them has not been injured recently.

They're competing against top quality, professional athletes. Of course they will struggle, they hardly know each other's games. They've been here for literally a matter of weeks.

We should all have known this season would be a struggle when Castagne, Evans, Justin and Fofana were all injured at the start of the season.

 

The Wilf injury just tops it off.

Agree beechey.  That's why we need a DM.  I hope we can improve at the back but until we do hamsa will have to play (....bizarre I know) coz of the pappy error. That's where we are.

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Is their an actual time predicted for Justins return?

I'd say approx 1 month. 

 

It was always targeted to be around Oct/Nov. 

 

[Greg2607]

1 hour ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Is their an actual time predicted for Justins return?

11:37. A.M.

[AjcW]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I'd say approx 1 month. 

 

It was always targeted to be around Oct/Nov. 

 

Yep. Moscow at home if I had to pick a game... 

[ARM1968]

Let’s not rush the guy. We need to build back better - heard that somewhere, sounds like bollocks, but I’m running with it. 

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Some better tell Van Djik, as he seems to have comeback like he's been away a week!

Obviously some players come back in better condition than others. But he was also lucky enough to come back during pre-season and shake off some rust. 
 

I wouldn’t say he is at his level yet anyway, it’s just his level is miles higher than others 

[KrefelderFox666]

33 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Yep. Moscow at home if I had to pick a game... 

Probably makes sense to wait until post international break and give him some time in the U23s.

[Chocolate Teapot]

44 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Yep. Moscow at home if I had to pick a game... 

Hes not registered in the europa squad.