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9 hours ago, foxile5 said:

They might well be humans but they're gods when it suits them aren't they? I'm sure Grealish was crying out to be a regular bloke when he was getting away with being pissed up behind the wheel. And Mendy when he was being defended and getting away with flying q woman into the country in the middle of a pandemic. Just normal guys. 

 

They're given so much leeway and privileges in society that I find zero sympathy. Remember, for once they're being treated like regular folks. 

 

If your average joe can't see his family I don't see why we should sit weeping over the plight of a footballer. 

We shouldn’t have any sympathy or empathy for Nuno because Jack Grealish and Benjamin Mendy broke the law?

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2 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

We shouldn’t have any sympathy or empathy for Nuno because Jack Grealish and Benjamin Mendy broke the law?

They were just used as examples of the entitlement of the demographic in general. 

 

Broadbrush, those involved in football are, right now, the least deserving of sympathy. 

 

My grandmother is housebound and terrified she'll see her life out that way. I'm sure she'd love to be a millionaire who was able up go to work and seemingly bypass most ruled out pandemic life but she can't. You're right, though. I'm sure Nuno, living with his son, is suffering more. 

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Any chance of Sheffield United taking points of Spurs today? Spurs will score early and then park the double decker. Against the team bottom of the table. Mourinho has no shame. 

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1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

They were just used as examples of the entitlement of the demographic in general. 

 

Broadbrush, those involved in football are, right now, the least deserving of sympathy. 

 

My grandmother is housebound and terrified she'll see her life out that way. I'm sure she'd love to be a millionaire who was able up go to work and seemingly bypass most ruled out pandemic life but she can't. You're right, though. I'm sure Nuno, living with his son, is suffering more. 

I’m not sure whether it’s the case that footballers are more entitled than the average population, or whether their transgressions are disproportionately highlighted due to their profile. I know a hell of a lot of people in the same demographic flouting the rules as much, if not more than the footballers. I don’t have more sympathy for them than anyone else but I do emphasise with anyone who can’t see their loved ones and has to manage those relationships and feel isolated from them for a long time whilst working in an extremely high pressure job. The millions help, I’m sure, but they don’t replace relationships 

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11 minutes ago, Sir Shep said:

Be interesting to see who co-commentates on the pool manred game today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they shoe horn in both Jamie and Gary. 

Oh they will 100%. It'll be Martin Tyler with Neville and Carragher. Then probably a panel of Souness, Keane and Richards.

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2 minutes ago, King of Gipsy Lane said:

Draw today what we want for the yanitid v hub cap collectors ??? 

Yeah with a few injuries and red cards thrown in for good measure. Someone please knock out Bruno's two front teeth

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24 minutes ago, Sir Shep said:

Be interesting to see who co-commentates on the pool manred game today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they shoe horn in both Jamie and Gary. 

More than likely. Hopefully they'll be so biased it'll wind up the other lot and they'll then realise what the rest of us have to put up with.

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23 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

They were just used as examples of the entitlement of the demographic in general. 

 

Broadbrush, those involved in football are, right now, the least deserving of sympathy. 

 

My grandmother is housebound and terrified she'll see her life out that way. I'm sure she'd love to be a millionaire who was able up go to work and seemingly bypass most ruled out pandemic life but she can't. You're right, though. I'm sure Nuno, living with his son, is suffering more. 

No one has to be suffering more do they? Why can't people just accept that others can be feeling that effects of the pandemic without making it a competition?

 

Not just footballers but all millionaires, your Instagram influencers etc will undoubtedly have it easier than your average Joe, doesn't mean that there won't be some who are not suffering.

 

Just because some are not following rules and guidelines doesn't mean that others are doing the same.

 

Take me for example of your "average Joe" I was furloughed for 7 weeks last March/April. Since then I've been back at work. Financially I'm slightly better off, no money problems, my mortgage is paid every month, my car had fuel, my fridge is full. I get up, go to work, socialise with work colleagues. Am I not allowed to feel down?? Because I earn decent money and still see people at work?

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40 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

They were just used as examples of the entitlement of the demographic in general. 

 

Broadbrush, those involved in football are, right now, the least deserving of sympathy. 

 

My grandmother is housebound and terrified she'll see her life out that way. I'm sure she'd love to be a millionaire who was able up go to work and seemingly bypass most ruled out pandemic life but she can't. You're right, though. I'm sure Nuno, living with his son, is suffering more. 


I think bringing NES up and comparing it to someone else is unfair. He’s not broken any rules (as far as I’m aware), and he hasn’t complained. Someone just pointed out that he looks a shadow of himself and given the probably reason. 

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On 15/01/2021 at 13:36, LVocey said:

Never denied he has quality, just fails to impress me more times than not. Has a wondeful knack of right place right time with his goals and assists and i'm sure thats far more skill than luck but for me there are many more midfielders in the league I rate higher.

He started off great and that’s what happens when you’re new. Teams are a lot more wise to him now and he gets nullified a lot. I’ve watched him closely since being bigged up and he’s pretty average but pops up at the right time. The 2-2 game against us he was poor but flukes a pass to Rashford and scored after the most simplistic of straight runs into out box after a very bad decision by Evans and he scuffs a shot into the bottom corner. The guy has has some serious luck but the guys watching that game would have said how amazing he was because he scored a goal and got an assist.

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12 minutes ago, reynard said:

Of course you're right in one sense that as far as spreading the virus it makes little difference in the context of a whole match. However, it is about football making a statement that empathises with the Government message of as few contacts as possible.

The vast majority of footballers, just like the general public, are adhering to guidelines/rules etc but when you get things like Celtic going off to wherever on a training trip/holiday it gives out the wrong type of image to the rest of the population.

In the world, right now, gestures, however contrived or scientifically meaningless, do make a difference.

 

 

.... and most of the other things people site are necessary to play the game hugging a goal scorer in these times is self indulgent and unnecessary. Sure in from an emotional point it can be hard to resist but so can hugging a loved one.

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The job that David Moyes is doing at West Ham has gone somewhat under the radar. If you remember where they were when we beat them away last season with a second strong team they've improved drastically. After getting sacked by Real Sociedad and the Sunderland debacle his stock was at an all time low and he looked finished at this level. He's managed to save his reputation so fair play to him. 

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19 minutes ago, reynard said:

Of course you're right in one sense that as far as spreading the virus it makes little difference in the context of a whole match. However, it is about football making a statement that empathises with the Government message of as few contacts as possible.

The vast majority of footballers, just like the general public, are adhering to guidelines/rules etc but when you get things like Celtic going off to wherever on a training trip/holiday it gives out the wrong type of image to the rest of the population.

In the world, right now, gestures, however contrived or scientifically meaningless, do make a difference.

 

 

Think you've touched on it here but what this 'socially distanced celebration' stuff is, is a statement. 

 

We all know that these guys are travelling together, sharing showers, hotel rooms, dressing rooms and in Man City's case...Women. 

 

They are shoulder to shoulder most days but when the public are watching, keep your distance. It's a pony show. 

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32 minutes ago, reynard said:

Of course you're right in one sense that as far as spreading the virus it makes little difference in the context of a whole match. However, it is about football making a statement that empathises with the Government message of as few contacts as possible.

The vast majority of footballers, just like the general public, are adhering to guidelines/rules etc but when you get things like Celtic going off to wherever on a training trip/holiday it gives out the wrong type of image to the rest of the population.

In the world, right now, gestures, however contrived or scientifically meaningless, do make a difference.

 

 

This!

 

Madders' little game of charades for his celebration made me chuckle anyway. Looked like the new kid at the office party. lol

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52 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The job that David Moyes is doing at West Ham has gone somewhat under the radar. If you remember where they were when we beat them away last season with a second strong team they've improved drastically. After getting sacked by Real Sociedad and the Sunderland debacle his stock was at an all time low and he looked finished at this level. He's managed to save his reputation so fair play to him. 

I reckon not having fans in there is probably doing them a favour short term and long term - it was all pretty grim there from what I remember of when fans were allowed in grounds. Going under the radar for a bit and taking some of the pressure of expectation from their fans is probably a good thing too.

 

He deserves some credit for this season so far, but they've spent a lot of money in the last few years and really, they should be finishing mid-table given the investment levels.

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2 hours ago, Koke said:

Any chance of Sheffield United taking points of Spurs today? Spurs will score early and then park the double decker. Against the team bottom of the table. Mourinho has no shame. 

I can definitely see it happen. Sheff United had lost all confidence but two wins in a row could make a world of difference in bringing back belief. We saw last season that the have ability.

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37 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The job that David Moyes is doing at West Ham has gone somewhat under the radar. If you remember where they were when we beat them away last season with a second strong team they've improved drastically. After getting sacked by Real Sociedad and the Sunderland debacle his stock was at an all time low and he looked finished at this level. He's managed to save his reputation so fair play to him. 

He is doing well at W.Ham much to my surprise. I could never understand why people thought he did so well at Everton (compared with say Sean Dyche he had ample resources) but then Ferguson wanted him at Man.U so I thought I'd got it wrong and I'd underrated him. Turned out Fergie had misjudged him,as he absolutely failed in every respect at Man U.altho Fergie had n't exactly left a rich inheritance which has been apparent ever since. I quite like him as a guy so I'm glad its going well at W. Ham, even though I'm mystified as to how he got the job. Even so I'll be amazed if he's ever in charge at a club who wins anything significant. There' s always a whole string of managers around who continually waltz into £2-5m pa. jobs despite the fact that based on their success record  they should be cleaning the dressing room for £15K p.a.

I think it is a very tough and demanding job but  its part of football's financial rot that weak, poor, and untalented  managers can command these salaries and then when found wanting can fool yet another ingenuous club into giving them the next job in the string. and so on usually until their near criminal or personal habits mean the party is eventually over.

 

I'm delighted to say the CV of our manager indicates he's well capable of doing the very tough job very well,  has the job on merit, deserves a very high salary (altho not £5.0m a year). and I hope the thing that keeps him at LCFC is that he's smart enough to realise he could become a GREAT Manager involved in the rise of a really great club ( never mind big 6, there only really a big 3, Chelsea, Tottenham and Man City are either nouveau riche or spurs like, and even Arsenal are a bit tottery). I would love to see this happen as if Brendan R wins recognition eventually as a really great manager it would mean LCFC had been recognised as a really great club. Get a bit more history and we're one of the big 4. Incidently the  couple of bad knocks from football (a career ending condition, and a harsh sacking at L'pool.) BR has had mean I'd be doubly delighted.We deserve a great manager and have n't had one yet.(a few very good ones though)

 

Rant over. Thought I deserved a Sunday morning one  for unwisely sticking my neck out about the Saints game, and getting away with it

 

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3 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

the City and Hundred Reasons - never thought I'd live in a world where they collided. 
Saw them Rock City 2004, supported by Biffy Clyro. How things change...

Believe the HR singer now works as a media teacher at a college somewhere and has no real inclination to return to music. 

Yeah he’s a lecturer I think.

 

I’ve seen them loads, such a good live band. Saw them with Hell Is For Heroes on their farewell tours actually, what a gig.

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