Brendan Rodgers

[Claudio Fannieri]

32 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

The same as what happens in any business when you scale up. Some people don't like it or can't hack it and get moved on. Some people cry about it and say they've been unfairly treated when the reality is they're resistant to change.

In an earlier post you said you had a feeling Rodgers wouldn’t be in dugout on Saturday, is there anything that you are hearing that is supporting that theory? 

[Chrysalis]

Ok guys here is my view. 

 

I do think Rodgers time here at this moment of time can be considered successful, I expect the vast majority if not everyone would agree with that, competing for top 4 for two seasons in a row, community shield and a FA cup win.

During the early part of his reign we also played some outstanding football.

 

I have the belief any manager we could bring in now would not replicate that.  However thinking about this rationally.

 

We are currently in a bad spell of form, worryingly its not just results but the way we are playing, it feels like if we win a game, it wont be the start of a good run of form due to the way we are playing, I know I am not alone in this line of thought.  Some very questionable team selections are happening as well.  Now on top of this with rumours of problems behind the scenes.  Finally the icing on the cake, we have Evans probably never going back to how he was, our star defender out long term, Vardy approaching the end of his career, Tielemans probably gone by next summer, and some other key player approaching end of their contracts.

 

Rodgers will know reputation can be short lived, if he doesn't recover our form, he might not even be considered for jobs in a year or two down the line, he might consider that he has hit his ceiling with us, he might be aware he has an upcoming rebuild here, and he might be aware some are starting to lose faith in his decision making (boos at Maddison sub).

 

From the club perspective I think if form got bad enough they would consider sacking him, which would probably be our most expensive managerial sacking in our history.  So from a financial point of view this might be seen as a plus by the club, whether this is a good or bad thing for the club will be down to if it is seen as a situation that Rodgers could recover from.

 

So I can definitely see the reasons why Rodgers would want to move, and even reasons why the club might not try too hard to keep him.

 

I have no opinion of how this is going to go, it feels like a much bigger lure for the manager than Arsenal and Spurs were though.

[Dave Fishwick]

13 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

Really don’t get this obsession with Potter. We can do better than him if/when Rodgers leaves. 
As already stated Rodgers is better than Potter. 

Potter is fantastic, if you don't get the obsession with him then you just haven't been concentrating hard enough

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

In an earlier post you said you had a feeling Rodgers wouldn’t be in dugout on Saturday, is there anything that you are hearing that is supporting that theory? 

No that was literally my own perspective.

[volpeazzurro]

30 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

He was the first to mention it and keeps saying the same thing.

 

I doubt Susan is there on a popularity contest, you have to be ruthless at that level. And if we're talking about the director who went, there's two very different perspectives on that.

The family have had Whelan with them for many years now so she clearly has their trust. Absolutely she's not there to be popular, it's a business after all whereas to most of us, it's weekend entertainment and thereafter taking material. When some supporters speak of 20m here and 20m there, it's all real money every pound will be accounted for. Transfers,  successful or not will have to be accounted for and if Perez and Vestergaard are as rumoured, down to Rodgers insistence, then I doubt they'd be too impressed there for a 45m outlay! As for Rodgers, however important we may think he is and perhaps more pertinently, how important he thinks he is, he's just another employee in a business. If he fails to perform or thinks he's bigger than he actually is, he'll be out on his ear and quite rightly so.

[filbertway]

Quite like the image that's been painted of Rodgers trying to hold everything together while the players hate each other and the club is crumbling internally. A modern day Atlas.

[TheFiveTime]

I remember back to the waning days of Craig Levein. We all had some sort of hope for the guy and stuck by him through quite a lot of bad footie. There was a bout a month where everyone knew he was getting the sack. The players were not playing, results were getting worse as was the football. The crowds were silent and everything was going backwards. It was inevitable. We are no where near that feeling for Brendan yet. Nor will we be for quite some time. Whatever is going on behind the scenes it is quite hard to make a full judgement with just bits and bobs but cmon, it isn't as bad as 2002-2006 behind the scenes. I would take a hated Susan Whelan every day of the week over most of the other heads we have had behind the scenes. No one is perfect and I'm sure there may well be trouble brewing but lets put this into perspective. Pretty much since the thai owners we have had relative stability off the pitch and a golden age that leicester fans of 2005 could only dream of.

 

All we can say is lets wait and see what brendo can conjure up and thank Susan for all the success that has been brought to this club under her stewardship even if she herself is not perfect.

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, Billynomates said:

The problems we have aren’t as a result of Brendan rodgers, there is a lot more at play behind the scenes and this is filtering through to the players now.

 

Rodgers is striving for perfection and I believe has no interest in leaving. Yes for the first time with us he is under criticism with performances, internally, but a dysfunctional 12 months and ‘office politics’ are currently being voiced and scrutinised.

 

he’s always had a project here, Newcastle would be suicidal for any promising manager that isn’t a mercenary.

...Office politics...!!!

I suspect you have your ear to the door and are more informed that the FT crew.

 I would like to hear more on the rumours that are presently doing the rounds at the club.

[Stadt]

By their own admission, most fans think the retail side of the club is shit, the ticketing shambolic and the catering abysmal. In the next breath they'll say the club is well ran so something somewhere doesn't add up. I've heard a couple of things relatively recently that don't paint a great picture. There's two sides to every story but I don't think it's all rosy behind the scenes.

Edited 13 October 2021 by Stadt

[Aus Fox]

1 hour ago, kiwiturk said:

Hearing and reading about Potter a lot lately. I guess he is kinda successful football coach  considering the limited resources he is operating with...

Here is some stats,

- He is the 17th highest paid Football Manager out of 20 ( Brendan Rogers 3rd)

- The total value of Brighton Howe Albion ranked 13th (we are 7th)

This numbers really makes him look good. Let's see how this story/gossip will end.

So Brendan with the 7th most expensive squad finished 5th last season.

Potter with the 13th most expensive squad finished 16th.

Who is better at getting the best out of what they’ve got?

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

So Brendan with the 7th most expensive squad finished 5th last season.

Potter with the 13th most expensive squad finished 16th.

Who is better at getting the best out of what they’ve got?

Bahahahaha

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

He was the first to mention it and keeps saying the same thing.

 

I doubt Susan is there on a popularity contest, you have to be ruthless at that level. And if we're talking about the director who went, there's two very different perspectives on that.

He's not the only one to mention these kind of points though, AbrasiveFox was saying this a good 18 months back iirc.

 

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He's not the only one to mention these kind of points though, AbrasiveFox was saying this a good 18 months back iirc.

 

CT is Abrasive 😂

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He's not the only one to mention these kind of points though, AbrasiveFox was saying this a good 18 months back iirc.

 

Hahaha ha. I definitely wasn't 👀

[Ric Flair]

5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

CT is Abrasive 😂

Wahahahahaaaa

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Wahahahahaaaa

I do spout a lot of shit to be fair.

[HankMarvin]

3 hours ago, Billynomates said:

I could go on for a while here so I’ll just try and keep it light for now.

 

ive posted previously (last year, early this) that:

1. Susan Whelan runs a fear factory. She may have won an award but that’s an outside view, inside view is that she is not nice. She is the solution to some issues and cause of others.

2. Various staff have been moved on, Dave rennie and plenty more that have been with the club for years.

3. inter departmental conflicts

4. a lot if not all staff hate the morale, coincidental with move to seagrave but I’m unsure of it’s the cause.

5. Winning fa cup and achieving 5th has brought arrogance to a lot of people, this could be a temporary blip?

6. Talking to the birch yesterday, all the above is shared.

7. Stadium expansion is poorly managed by CEO who wants beyond a pound of flesh.

8. Seagrave is incredible but has teething issues in terms of day to day operations and player management, they all leave after training and Brendan is trying them to integrate as a friends afterwards.

 

there is a feeling the bubble has burst and it’s difficult to shake off. But looking at individual performances for their countries (ward/Tielemans/Castagne/cags) it’s reflected. They may have hit a glass ceiling and seemingly Brendan is the only one trying to sort it, he cares so much. 
 

on a side note, mark albrighton is first in and last out. BR wants him to be a leader off the pitch and the younger players to take an example.

 

summary, yea we have major behind the scenes problems and some people are ignoring/hiding.

Sounds like Brendan wants them to stick around after work for one of his Barbecues

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Billynomates said:

On face value she’s really pleasant, she is totally ruthless, and commands respect (she sacked a director in January because the individual (the same individual that worked miracles in getting seagrave and stadium sorted) because they weren’t telling her what she wanted and because they stood up for themselves). In a business sense she’s great because she wants results, but when you tip over the line you get accusations. If Susan Whelan we’re male I’d be saying the same thing. She has worked her way up from a family buisiness but there are a lot of people (externally) that don’t trust her unfortunately.

....the next question would be, has she always been this way!!!

  Success does bring on a sense of infallibility and as a trusted member of the group, the liklihood would be that you are untouchable. 

  We have achieved so much during her tenure on and off the pitch it would be sad if the current problems stemmed from her dogmatic approach to the running of the club.

 

nb.

Is it possible that you could have thrown Birch under the bus?

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

 

nb.

Is it possible that you could have thrown Birch under the bus?

My thoughts too

 

Perhaps a clue as to why he doesn’t have any mates …..

[coolhandfox]

Most successful CEO are ruthless.

 

The football business is full of egos. 

 

These sort of thing are only aired when stuff isn't going well.

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Rodgers will walk, I think he will be tempted with another project if things behind the scenes are turning ugly. 

If it does happen, I don't think replacing him will be as straightforward as many think. We can all suggest names- we've got little idea what the owners want, how much they are willing to pay in compensation plus getting in new staff.

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Rodgers will walk, I think he will be tempted with another project if things behind the scenes are turning ugly. 

He isn’t ‘walking’ anywhere unless it’s for more money. And we may him a lot.

 

if Newcastle decide they want him and are willing to pay us the compensation we will demand then we would be able to pay a new manager a very handsome package indeed …. Whether we would be willing to us another question…

[fuchsntf]

15 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

If there’s genuine interest and an approach then Rodgers will jump ship SO hard and SO fast.
 

But we’ve always known that would be the case and that’s why his name is rarely sung on the terraces and we haven’t exactly been enamoured with him as a fan base in the way we largely were with Pearson, Ranieri and O’Neill.

 

(Which is also why, despite a very successful period here, his first tricky spell hasn’t seen him with deep reserves of patience to draw upon)

If took only a 4  Months with Ranieri...vor this forum to warm to him

BUT with Pearson & O'Neill. there were many incorect,unknowledgable, cynical, negative Posts on this forum ,over 80% of their tenure..

So that is a nonsense bit of twaddle to Buck up this,    another  unneccessary Attack on Another Leicester Manager....

Next to Ranieri he s Our most successful manager....He s got enough credit from my side...

But that doesn't  mean He s free of critic...

Nature of the Social Media beast...but this Weekly onslaught, so Early in the season is IMO quite OTT...

 

 

Edited 13 October 2021 by fuchsntf

[Babylon]

Successful business person is ruthless shocker. 

[FoxesWalk]

4 hours ago, Billynomates said:

I could go on for a while here so I’ll just try and keep it light for now.

 

ive posted previously (last year, early this) that:

1. Susan Whelan runs a fear factory. She may have won an award but that’s an outside view, inside view is that she is not nice. She is the solution to some issues and cause of others.

2. Various staff have been moved on, Dave rennie and plenty more that have been with the club for years.

3. inter departmental conflicts

4. a lot if not all staff hate the morale, coincidental with move to seagrave but I’m unsure of it’s the cause.

5. Winning fa cup and achieving 5th has brought arrogance to a lot of people, this could be a temporary blip?

6. Talking to the birch yesterday, all the above is shared.

7. Stadium expansion is poorly managed by CEO who wants beyond a pound of flesh.

8. Seagrave is incredible but has teething issues in terms of day to day operations and player management, they all leave after training and Brendan is trying them to integrate as a friends afterwards.

 

there is a feeling the bubble has burst and it’s difficult to shake off. But looking at individual performances for their countries (ward/Tielemans/Castagne/cags) it’s reflected. They may have hit a glass ceiling and seemingly Brendan is the only one trying to sort it, he cares so much. 
 

on a side note, mark albrighton is first in and last out. BR wants him to be a leader off the pitch and the younger players to take an example.

 

summary, yea we have major behind the scenes problems and some people are ignoring/hiding.

As many suspected, it was obvious something was not right behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing.