Finnegan Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Exactly my thoughts. I thought it was just short. But it's use in the context of someone whose ethnicity you don't know is where the racism comes from, Christ alive. would you feel it was racist if in an Asian country a man said to you "walk on German" Yes because it would be racist. That's exactly the issue. Would I be upset and offended? No, not especially, I'm immensely thick skinned and I'd just think the person was a complete idiot (just the same as if I was Yuki Abe, I'd think our fans were completely retarded) but it would still be racist. It's like an Asian man calling us frogs or krauts, exactly. PS: I'd just like to say that, having seen the video, it's ludicrously inconclusive and the Sun are absolute scum for shit-stirring and making a story out of something so immensely vague. I've every confidence in the club to look at this and investigate sensibly. behaving like a bit of a twat there. maybe all this money and fame has gone to his head and he needs taking down a peg Lets be fair, he's always been an enormous chav, that's kinda part of his charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 :frusty:Would I be upset and offended? No, not especially, I'm immensely thick skinned and I'd just think the person was a complete idiot (just the same as if I was Yuki Abe, I'd think our fans were completely retarded) but it would still be racist. It's like an Asian man calling us frogs or krauts, exactly. PS: I'd just like to say that, having seen the video, it's ludicrously inconclusive and the Sun are absolute scum for shit-stirring and making a story out of something so immensely vague. I've every confidence in the club to look at this and investigate sensibly. Lets be fair, he's always been an enormous chav, that's kinda part of his charm. I don't think you need to be thick skinned to not get offended by being called a german. I'd take it as a compliment that you're very officiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Lets be fair, he's always been an enormous chav, that's kinda part of his charm. ok , you got me there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I'm immensely thick tell me about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asherz Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Loool so alot of our fans are already turning on vardy. Good show boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 tell me about it That's the Scottish for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 No, the two are very much comparable. I'm getting a little bit fed of having to explain racism to people who should know better (that is, everyone.) Calling Okazaki a 'Jap' is crude, a bit politically incorrect, rude and disrespectful. He is, however, Japanese, the fans know (mostly) he's Japanese and they aren't being deliberately offensive (for the most part.) Calling an Asian man whose ethnicity you have no idea about a 'Jap' is racist, calling Okazaki a 'chink' is racist, singing that Yuki Abe eats dogs is racist. These things are all racist because you're making ludicrous and ignorant assumptions about a person based on their race. If Jamie Vardy called this man a Jap and assuming that he had no idea the man was Japanese or not (lets not clutch at straws here, it's about 99% certain Vardy didn't have a clue and it's exceptionally more likely that Asian patrons in a casino in Leicester will be Chinese and not Japanese) then he is being racist and offensive. Vardy was most likely in the wrong and it's embarrassing for him and the club but I also accept he was probably drunk and emotional, I don't think he's a terrible human being because he lashed out. What offends me far more is that plenty of people on this forum, who are sober and clear minded in the light of day, are looking at this and dismissing the use of the word as inoffensive and denying that there's any racism present. That, for me, is far worse. spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 As much as I love him as a player, he's such a ****ing chav isn't he? Pathetic behaviour even without the racist parts. I'd wager the majority of footballers are. Not much in the way of formal education past school, over-paid and over-exposed, and part of an old-fashioned macho / 'laddish' world. I still sung his name yesterday, though, like the pathetic hypocrite I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes1 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Jamie Vardy's having a party bring your sushi and your saki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 It'll be absolutely fascinating to see how the club deals with this. It's easy enough to can a few youth players, but if Vardy has used that term in an offensive way then the owners come across as massive hypocrites if they don't sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 But it's use in the context of someone whose ethnicity you don't know is where the racism comes from, Christ alive. I'm talking generally. I know in this instance it is. If the person is just an Asian then it's generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyJim1987 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I've just watched the highlights of yesterdays soccer saturday on Skysports and they were all basically taking the piss out of okazaki's name. Phil Thompson wrote 'hockey sack he' so he could pronounce it and they were all giggling. Paul merson kept calling him guy from japan, its ignorance more than racism, but just found it interesting with this vardy story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 It'll be absolutely fascinating to see how the club deals with this. It's easy enough to can a few youth players, but if Vardy has used that term in an offensive way then the owners come across as massive hypocrites if they don't sack him. Well, no. Vardy has clearly behaved like a pillock here but he's not on club business, he's not broken the law, he's not behaved like a misogynist willy puller and he's not insulted the Thai people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mee-9 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I just have no clue why this happens to us all the time. Surely it's to do with the club and how we treat players? Do we not order them to be good role models for the general public and children? Why do we let players get themselves in situations like this. After this summer and now this we should stop players going abroad at all costs. Sod Thailand and Japan, make them spend two weeks in Great Yarmouth. I really think the club needs help when moulding players into good role models. Get Jeremy Kyle in the backroom staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 He should have said 'mate'. Why pick up on the ethnicity of the guy? Racism is in the eye of the person on the receiving end. If they are offended (and it's not completely unreasonable to be so) then it's potentially racist behaviour. however, footballers are not known for their intelligence, especially after a couple of drinks. Ultimately, this appears a non story unless JV his exhibited this type of behaviour in the past. something else will attract the newspapers unless they have more on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 If you say oi chap loudly and repeatedly to yourself, it's really surprising how easily and how often it sounds like oi Jap. Try it for yourselves. It's probably what he was actually saying but it doesn't excuse his overall behaviour though. Drunk or not, he could probably benefit from a bit of anger management. Vardy's lawyers could probably have a field day with The Sun and the casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Nicknamed 'The Cannon' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 No, the two are very much comparable. I'm getting a little bit fed of having to explain racism to people who should know better (that is, everyone.) Calling Okazaki a 'Jap' is crude, a bit politically incorrect, rude and disrespectful. He is, however, Japanese, the fans know (mostly) he's Japanese and they aren't being deliberately offensive (for the most part.) Calling an Asian man whose ethnicity you have no idea about a 'Jap' is racist, calling Okazaki a 'chink' is racist, singing that Yuki Abe eats dogs is racist. These things are all racist because you're making ludicrous and ignorant assumptions about a person based on their race. If Jamie Vardy called this man a Jap and assuming that he had no idea the man was Japanese or not (lets not clutch at straws here, it's about 99% certain Vardy didn't have a clue and it's exceptionally more likely that Asian patrons in a casino in Leicester will be Chinese and not Japanese) then he is being racist and offensive. Vardy was most likely in the wrong and it's embarrassing for him and the club but I also accept he was probably drunk and emotional, I don't think he's a terrible human being because he lashed out. What offends me far more is that plenty of people on this forum, who are sober and clear minded in the light of day, are looking at this and dismissing the use of the word as inoffensive and denying that there's any racism present. That, for me, is far worse. So was the guy not Japanese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I just have no clue why this happens to us all the time. Surely it's to do with the club and how we treat players? Do we not order them to be good role models for the general public and children? Why do we let players get themselves in situations like this. After this summer and now this we should stop players going abroad at all costs. Sod Thailand and Japan, make them spend two weeks in Great Yarmouth. I really think the club needs help when moulding players into good role models. Get Jeremy Kyle in the backroom staff. I can only assume it comes down to a core lack of discipline within the club. Certain players don't quite seem to grasp the privileged position they have found themselves in and how they are expected to behave. They don't appear too hot on the potential consequences of behaving like a bellend either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I see more and more and more now that because we are in the prem, that the tabloids love to try and drag anyone and anything through the mud and its just so pathetic!But in this instance vardy, yes he may be in the wrong here if he did call him Jap, but maybe the problem isnt racism is more education. From the look on this forum and older generations they genuinly dont see a problem with calling people jap or nips ect ect when infact it is. Kick it out need to try and adress this more than what they are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFC1996 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 It'll be absolutely fascinating to see how the club deals with this. It's easy enough to can a few youth players, but if Vardy has used that term in an offensive way then the owners come across as massive hypocrites if they don't sack him. The fact Hopper, Smith & Pearson were on a club trip to the owners home country and in a filmed orgy with prostitutes (?) when the racism happened probably had a decent sized part to play in their sackings. A fine, apology and maybe sending him on racism education course of some sort is about the right punishment for Vards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 It'll be absolutely fascinating to see how the club deals with this. It's easy enough to can a few youth players, but if Vardy has used that term in an offensive way then the owners come across as massive hypocrites if they don't sack him. Whilst I get your point, the incident in Thailand was a whole lot worse than a tipsy bust up in a casino and thus there were more reasons for terminating their contracts. Aside from the comment from Hopper, there was the degradation of women and the video itself was filmed on a King Power funded goodwill tour of the owner's home country. The whole saga was a lot more damaging and sordid than this. If they don't chop Vardy I wouldn't call the owners out for hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 Just playing devil's advocate here, but at no point is there anyone of Asian ethnicity in that video. The only thing we've got to go on is some grainy footage that The Sun has helpfully subtitled to fit their narrative and The Sun's mystery witness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 I don't understand why anyone would say 'Jap' to an oriental person (apparently this phrase is also considered racist by some ) with intent to offend. If you were racist you'd say Nip or Chink or suchlike. Doesn't make sense. However, someone saying 'Oi chap!' seems so much more likely and is so similar phonetically (it's even the same lip movement - tested this out with my wife who is profoundly deaf and has read lips all her life and she couldn't spot the difference (I didn't tell her why I was doing it either or prompt her answer in anyway.)) that it would be hard to tell from a recording in a noisy setting. Complete non-stop from gutter press. Why people ever believe journalists without doing a bit of thinking for themselves is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 9 August 2015 Share Posted 9 August 2015 How about Wes Morgan is a dirty white cheat.Bloody whites are all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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