Booing

[Trav Le Bleu]

Do you have the right to boo? Of course you do.

 

But then I have the right to build a large fence between myself and my neighbour, but I don't, because I'm not a massive <insert genital reference here>.

 

Because you can do something, doesn't mean you should, or that it's a good idea.

[MC Prussian]

On 04/02/2019 at 13:30, Cardiff_Fox said:

The true core of the support is spoilt. I have been away ends this year what is full of folk who think that we should be top six contender or just consistently come out with random claptrap which isn't sensible and is deluded. Everything is 'shit', every player is a ****ing idiot and Puel's a twat. They are not true - in the context of the division, we are average, the players are inconsistent and the manager is stubborn. 

 

You've laid out a reasonable argument but you had folk in the ground bemoaning the lack of Albrighton (injured) and Tielemans (2 training sessions). I understand the frustration but I don't allow it to manifest into all out abuse. 

 

I can tell you the Ghezzal booing was directed to the player because I was surrounded by idiots what were already moaning and groaning as Ghezzal awaited to come on. The fact it involved Maddison coming off for me was irrelevant because the pitchforks were already out as he was awaiting. 

 

There are issues there but I ask myself what can I do to help the situation? And consistent abuse of our players isn't on the list. 

True core in my definition doesn't equal away support, I'm afraid. These are but a portion of the entire following (roughly speaking, 10% or thereabouts).

Well, if a part of the away following holds that opinion, then I'm not sure the vast majority of home fans at the KP share the sentiment or to what extent at the very least.

Everyone who thinks we're ready for a Top Six challenge is either deluded or drunk or both. Correct.

Still begs the question whether these people are entirely serious or simply facetious.

 

I wouldn't base my opinion on our following in general on the sentiments of a selected few, these people at away matches usually tend to be more vocal and foul-mouthed in general, also in parts of trying to be loud enough in order to compete with the respective home crowd.

 

That also with regards to comments about our players or abuse from the stands.

 

 

 

[Rusko187]

I didn't hear any booing in L1 at full time, heard some at the substitution but if I'm honest I don't think many (if any) were coming from there.

[CosbehFox]

17 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

True core in my definition doesn't equal away support, I'm afraid. These are but a portion of the entire following (roughly speaking, 10% or thereabouts).

Well, if a part of the away following holds that opinion, then I'm not sure the vast majority of home fans at the KP share the sentiment or to what extent at the very least.

Everyone who thinks we're ready for a Top Six challenge is either deluded or drunk or both. Correct.

Still begs the question whether these people are entirely serious or simply facetious.

 

I wouldn't base my opinion on our following in general on the sentiments of a selected few, these people at away matches usually tend to be more vocal and foul-mouthed in general, also in parts of trying to be loud enough in order to compete with the respective home crowd.

 

That also with regards to comments about our players or abuse from the stands.

 

You are kidding right? The away support are 90% season ticket holders which further descends into the majority of them watching every game Leicester City have played in this season. These should be the seen it all, rational folk who understand that abuse is counter productive. I'd say they are fairly representative of our support really. 

 

And yeah the home support is as bad, I quote from Sunday, 'f**k off Puel, you f**king French c***' or 'f**k off Gray you lazy t**t' 

 

Edited 5 February 2019 by Cardiff_Fox

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You are kidding right? The away support are 90% season ticket holders which further descends into the majority of them watching every game Leicester City have played in this season. These should be the seen it all, rational folk who understand that abuse is counter productive. I'd say they are fairly representative of our support really. 

 

And yeah the home support is as bad, I quote from Sunday, 'f**k off Puel, you f**king French c***' or 'f**k off Gray you lazy t**t' 

 

I really dont see this Gray being lazy thing. 

[Simoken]

My only thoughts to those who booed at the subbing.. Go f#ck off somewhere else on match day. you are not helping. k thanks

[MC Prussian]

31 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You are kidding right? The away support are 90% season ticket holders which further descends into the majority of them watching every game Leicester City have played in this season. These should be the seen it all, rational folk who understand that abuse is counter productive. I'd say they are fairly representative of our support really. 

 

And yeah the home support is as bad, I quote from Sunday, 'f**k off Puel, you f**king French c***' or 'f**k off Gray you lazy t**t' 

 

I‘m sorry, but these types of comments from (disgruntled) fans are by no means a new phenomenon. Some of our fans do it, other clubs‘ fans do it.

No big fan of it either, but how else should  these people vent their anger? You can’t prevent it, and in the end, it’s also a part if the regular atmosphere at matches. The club‘s just such a heartfelt affair, would you like to see swearing banned during football matches?

 

And yes, it‘s only logical to have more vocal fans in the away end, I just don‘t buy into the notion that these are the most rational of all supporters. They are most certainly the most dedicated, most passionate ones. But rational? ? I don‘t see them as representative of the LCFC following in general.

 

Again, don‘t make your experience with a few the basis when judging the other 90% of LCFC supporters at home matches. It creates a distorted picture.

 

For what it‘s worth, there‘s usally a lot of goodwill at the start of each (home) game, but since we‘ve become specialists in conceding early lateiy, it tends to turn to either resignation or frustration, the longer we fail to threaten the opposing goalkeeper. 50% of the damage is already done by then, and the longer this happens, the more fans will turn on the manager - no matter how much at fault the players are/were.

Edited 5 February 2019 by MC Prussian

[filbertway]

We're not far off Everton for worst home fans are we. 

[Foxaholic ME]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

We're not far off Everton for worst home fans are we. 

I thinkcritism of out fans is  overdone much worse years ago and whilst rarely go away now have nearly always found them in good voice. Listen to fans from Spurs and Villa for example after a poor performance  and to suggest we are worse than places like Sunderland or Newcastle is ridiculous .Most people Iknow who support other clubs think our support is good generally  On numerous trips toAnfield have been surprised how quiet and Arsenal support is a joke

[murphy]

On 04/02/2019 at 12:30, Cardiff_Fox said:

The true core of the support is spoilt. I have been away ends this year what is full of folk who think that we should be top six contender or just consistently come out with random claptrap which isn't sensible and is deluded. Everything is 'shit', every player is a ****ing idiot and Puel's a twat. They are not true - in the context of the division, we are average, the players are inconsistent and the manager is stubborn. 

 

You've laid out a reasonable argument but you had folk in the ground bemoaning the lack of Albrighton (injured) and Tielemans (2 training sessions). I understand the frustration but I don't allow it to manifest into all out abuse. 

 

I can tell you the Ghezzal booing was directed to the player because I was surrounded by idiots what were already moaning and groaning as Ghezzal awaited to come on. The fact it involved Maddison coming off for me was irrelevant because the pitchforks were already out as he was awaiting. 

 

There are issues there but I ask myself what can I do to help the situation? And consistent abuse of our players isn't on the list. 

I watched the SKY footage of that substitution.  Maddison seems to take an age to get off the pitch, meanwhile there is loud and prolonged booing.  Ghezzal stands there silently shaking his head with a look of disgust on his face.

 

I have been.. well, let's say sceptical... of his signing but at that moment I just wanted to give him a hug.   

It's Tuesday now and I'm still angry.  

Edited 5 February 2019 by murphy

[Rusko187]

44 minutes ago, murphy said:

I watched the SKY footage of that substitution.  Maddison seems to take an age to get off the pitch, meanwhile there is loud and prolonged booing.  Ghezzal stands there silently shaking his head with a look of disgust on his face.

 

I have been.. well, let's say sceptical... of his signing but at that moment I just wanted to give him a hug.   

It's Tuesday now and I'm still angry.  

I know 1 way this whole booing debacle could have been avoided.

 

Mendy <

Ghezzal >

 

Then bring Maddison to play alongside Ndidi ?

[Jaspa]

Found the Maddison > Ghezzal sub - https://dump.video/DXv7ps

[420Hashish]

22 minutes ago, Jaspa said:

Found the Maddison > Ghezzal sub - https://dump.video/DXv7ps

It's an absolute disgrace from the fans, really, to boo. While I respect the fact that fans could be frustrated at decisions and performances at times, booing doesn't help at all. Booing just shoots the players' confidence. Plus, if it will become known that the atmosphere at the KP stadium will be toxic, good players and youngsters with potential might think twice before signing for Leicester.

 

You even see one of the coaching staff give Ghezzal a pat on the shoulder when the fans are booing. 

[HoustonFox]

You know what, Ghezzal nearly scored that free kick and he, and Puel, would have been fully justified in giving it the ear/name pointing celebration if it had gone in. Watching it back makes me even more mad. 

 

Last match I could go to was the Burnley match (I live in Houston - shocker from my user name!), and if there was ever a game to get behind the team, it was that one. But no. The idiot behind me spent the entire game on Ghezzal’s back. “You’re not Maher’s; who do you think you are?; eff off, you’re ****” etc...  I nearly turned round and lamped him. This behaviour has been like that for a while. 

 

We we can be great fans but we can also be spoiled t0ssers. Remember the O’Neill sit in? 

 

It was only in 2015/16 we were on the world’s stage and lauded for our support and atmosphere - guess we epitomise the chant “only sing when you’re winning”?*

 

 

*Yes, I’m being dramatic for effect 

[420Hashish]

11 minutes ago, HoustonFox said:

You know what, Ghezzal nearly scored that free kick and he, and Puel, would have been fully justified in giving it the ear/name pointing celebration if it had gone in. Watching it back makes me even more mad. 

 

Last match I could go to was the Burnley match (I live in Houston - shocker from my user name!), and if there was ever a game to get behind the team, it was that one. But no. The idiot behind me spent the entire game on Ghezzal’s back. “You’re not Maher’s; who do you think you are?; eff off, you’re ****” etc...  I nearly turned round and lamped him. This behaviour has been like that for a while. 

 

We we can be great fans but we can also be spoiled t0ssers. Remember the O’Neill sit in? 

 

It was only in 2015/16 we were on the world’s stage and lauded for our support and atmosphere - guess we epitomise the chant “only sing when you’re winning”?*

 

 

*Yes, I’m being dramatic for effect 

 

Skip to 7:11 for the free kick, and let me just say that free kick was a beauty. Ghezzal is one player who I feel will come good for us over time. Maybe not this season but maybe next season. If only the fans would get off his back and stop booing him and comparing him to Mahrez.

[Larry_LCFC]

Negativity breeds negativity. Unfortunately, Puel's style of play is going to do that.

[Col city fan]

14 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Do you have the right to boo? Of course you do.

 

But then I have the right to build a large fence between myself and my neighbour, but I don't, because I'm not a massive <insert genital reference here>.

 

Because you can do something, doesn't mean you should, or that it's a good idea.

It is if you have dogs 

[Guybino]

Collectively as fans we should call-out the booing, hopefully people will stop being bellends and support the  team the way we are meant to.

 

Basically I am saying us sensible ones who don't boo, should boo the booers when they start booing.

 

If you can't beat them, boo them. 

[Ric Flair]

I didnt even attend on Sunday but still boo'ed. Decadent. 

[foxinsocks]

When fans boo a substitution it could be coz they dont have confidence in the player coming on. ... or they dont want some  player to go off. . .. or they think the team is better as it is... Or they dont agree with the tactical implecations of the change.

Imo the ghezzel booing was the fans belief that madison is a better choice (and they were frusterated he hadn't scored... yet and now hes off)... and so it is directed at puel not ghazzel.

The nacho booing is coz so many have lost confidence in nacho and again they cant believe that puel thinks it will help. 

In both cases chanting "you don't know what youre doing " would be less ambiguous. 

 

[KrefelderFox666]

32 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

When fans boo a substitution it could be coz they dont have confidence in the player coming on. ... or they dont want some  player to go off. . .. or they think the team is better as it is... Or they dont agree with the tactical implecations of the change.

Imo the ghezzel booing was the fans belief that madison is a better choice (and they were frusterated he hadn't scored... yet and now hes off)... and so it is directed at puel not ghazzel.

The nacho booing is coz so many have lost confidence in nacho and again they cant believe that puel thinks it will help. 

In both cases chanting "you don't know what youre doing " would be less ambiguous. 

 

Either way, it puts the player coming onto the pitch down. It's pathetic. Yes fans are frustrated, but by showing that frustration, the players and coaching staff feel it and it rubs off.

 

There is no excuse for booing individual substitutions, players etc unless your reason is to put that player down. I will never boo my own team, I will have a debate on performances and if need be make my voice heard about performances, both individually and as a team (and if I had a chance to say it to their face I would too, constructively of course).

 

Vent your frustration by all means, but don't deflate the players even more.

[AjcW]

I'm quite surprised at the general tone in this thread to be honest. Even as someone who has wanted to back Puel from the start I completely understand fans wanting to boo decisions that don't make sense.

 

I was fine with Ghezzal coming on, he was actually one of the better players! But I think general consensus is that when you're 1-0 down, a positive sub would be to lose one of the DM's, push Maddison back and bring Ghezzal on. 

 

The issue the fans seem to be having at the minute, and I'm also having, is that almost every sub is like for like.... how is that going to make an impact? If that player wasn't good enough to start the chances are they're either going to do less than or equal to the player they are replacing.

I'd also question how booing is any different to 10,000 screaming for ****s sake as we pass the ball back from the edge of their area all the way back to Kasper... do you think the players can't hear that? What makes a boo so much worse? 

 

I know people don't agree, but....

If you go out for a meal and it's shit you can complain

If you buy clothes and they last five minutes you can complain

If you pay between 40 and 50 quid to watch people in a privileged position entertain you... why can't you complain?

 

I fully draw the line at personal insults etc, but I think a bit of a boo every now and then to show frustration is fine! 

 

There's not many ways for football fans to complain and in the heat of the moment and amid frustration I can completely understand why you might boo (i'd imagine the origins of booing come from watching any sort of 'performance' which a game of football falls under)

 

Does Ben think if he goes to United and puts in 20 crap crosses he wont get people hurling anger in his direction?

 

YES, it's not ideal, but it's more indicative of a divided fanbase, which needs to be addressed.. than it is to any real venom from fans.

 

[PloTok]

I kinda like Ghezzal and to lapse into semi-Puel speak, he does offer a different creativity. He has a talent and does offer something. And that free kick, sheesh, the bend on it. It would have beaten most keepers. 

 

For me, the substitution was a tweak that didn't dramatically change the shape or energy of the team. Puel obviously decided that a new approach/freshness was required up front. I can get my head around that, and would agree with Puel's motivation at that point in the game, even if I don't necessarily agree with that particular change. Personally, I'd have had Choudhury on in place of Mendy... but wtf do I know? I'm certainly not about to boo the judgement call of someone with more knowledge and experience than I'll ever have.

[MC Prussian]

10 hours ago, Jaspa said:

Found the Maddison > Ghezzal sub - https://dump.video/DXv7ps

Don't really see what the fuss is all about. The first set of boos is evidently directed at the decision for Maddison having to come off (a feedback to Puel more than anything), the boos are also somewhat faint and quickly subdued by lots of clapping.

 

The second bit of booing, upon Ghezzal's entrance onto the pitch, is also rather short.

 

Yes, you can claim that it can be counterproductive, but let's not pretend players and managers have never had boos aimed in their direction before.

This is a regular occurrence at pretty much any football match.

 

Again, to me it's a bit of a tendency to overly dramatize life in football. Why have so many people gotten so touchy out of a sudden?

[That_Dude]

10 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Don't really see what the fuss is all about. The first set of boos is evidently directed at the decision for Maddison having to come off (a feedback to Puel more than anything), the boos are also somewhat faint and quickly subdued by lots of clapping.

 

The second bit of booing, upon Ghezzal's entrance onto the pitch, is also rather short.

 

Yes, you can claim that it can be counterproductive, but let's not pretend players and managers have never had boos aimed in their direction before.

This is a regular occurrence at pretty much any football match.

 

Again, to me it's a bit of a tendency to overly dramatize life in football. Why have so many people gotten so touchy out of a sudden?

Just effing lol. 

 

You and anyone alike are out of touch, if you fail to understand how such a primitive and counter-productive behavior can affect a player. It doesn't matter if isn't directed at him. Booing means you don't think the player is good enough to have a positive impact on the game. He feels that and that shoots his confidence down as well the team's.

 

People going such a mental gymnastic to downplay the booing is baffling beyond limits.

Edited 6 February 2019 by That_Dude