Ayoze Pérez

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, weller54 said:

Praet perhaps?

Yes, no idea why he does not get look in, it seems so obvious as he is one of the few to have played there

[murphy]

14 hours ago, peach0000 said:

I say he’s being played out of position because I’ve watched Perez for years before he joined Leicester and can never remember him being a right winger. I lived in Newcastle for many years and watched almost every Newcastle game he ever played and he played in a different position and fairly successfully in that position. That being said he still wasn’t at the level of a 30million player. He was very streaky and inconsistent but there was definitely a decent player in there when played down the middle.

 

If I had a pound for every time I've posted this, I might be able to pay up his contract.

 

This is Ayoze Perez' heat map for the season 2018/19 at Newcastle:

 

 

 

A first pre season game is not a fair basis to judge him on, abject or not, however we have all seen how ineffective he has been last season and I'm not buying this 'defensive winger' myth.

 

I fear for him when the fans return.  It could get ugly and I really don't want to see that.

 

 

 

 

[Stadt]

Just now, murphy said:

 

If I had a pound for every time I've posted this, I might be able to pay up his contract.

 

This is Ayoze Perez' heat map for the season 2018/19 at Newcastle:

 

 

 

A first pre season game is not a fair basis to judge him on, abject or not, however we have all seen how ineffective he has been last season and I'm not buying this 'defensive winger' myth.

 

I fear for him when the fans return.  It could get ugly and I really don't want to see that.

 

 

 

 

Every time he gets criticised his position changes  

 

He’s not a winger, striker or midfielder. Maybe if we’re playing him for his defensive ability we should give him a go at RB.

[peach0000]

37 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

If I had a pound for every time I've posted this, I might be able to pay up his contract.

 

This is Ayoze Perez' heat map for the season 2018/19 at Newcastle:

 

 

 

A first pre season game is not a fair basis to judge him on, abject or not, however we have all seen how ineffective he has been last season and I'm not buying this 'defensive winger' myth.

 

I fear for him when the fans return.  It could get ugly and I really don't want to see that.

 

 

 

 

He played from memory 16 games that season as a winger. The only time in his career he did so before joining us. Even with all the games he’s played there now for us he has still played more games as a striker and second striker than as a right winger. No one is going to convince me he is a right winger, or at least wasn’t until he joined Leicester. 

[murphy]

3 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

He played from memory 16 games that season as a winger. The only time in his career he did so before joining us. Even with all the games he’s played there now for us he has still played more games as a striker and second striker than as a right winger. No one is going to convince me he is a right winger, or at least wasn’t until he joined Leicester. 

He made 37 appearances that season.  If he only played 16 times on the right (which is already an improvement on 'never' as you said previously) we would be looking at a very different heat map.  

 

 

[peach0000]

3 minutes ago, murphy said:

He made 37 appearances that season.  If he only played 16 times on the right (which is already an improvement on 'never' as you said previously) we would be looking at a very different heat map.  

 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ayoze-perez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/246968/plus/0?saison=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=12&trainer_id=
the stats are there and are clear, it was 18 times not 16 though I will correct my mistake. Playing half a season in a position after playing for years in others does not make that your position.

Honestly you’re just splitting hairs for no reason. There’s no way anyone can look at his time at Newcastle and think that he was a natural winger. 
 

 

[fox_up_north]

I like when he presses the ball. That's nice. 

[peach0000]

57 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Every time he gets criticised his position changes  

 

He’s not a winger, striker or midfielder. Maybe if we’re playing him for his defensive ability we should give him a go at RB.

He’s more of a striker than a midfielder but he needs to play in a two to be effective. He plays slightly deeper than strikers who can play on their own. This is the problem though, we don’t play a system that allows him to play there and if we did he would probably be fourth choice for that position. The real question is why did we buy him? We shouldn’t off, but that’s not the players fault. 

[Stuntman_Mike]

47 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Maybe as well he’s not playing well because he’s trying too hard to impress a bunch of weirdo fans on the internet who seem obsessed with giving him shit all the time.
 

If he wasn’t jeered or tweeted every time he made a mistake maybe he’d play with a bit more confidence. 
 

Everyone loved Okazaki, and he didn’t score many, didn’t create many, didn’t do much different to what Perez does for us to be honest. But you know, just because he had a charming smile that makes all the difference. 

Should be a custodial sentence.

[Kevin Russell]

3 hours ago, turkish14 said:

So the issue is with Brendan for selecting him, or top for not giving us more to spend on a winger?

 

I agree Perez not good enough, but how is Perez to blame for not being good enough

 

just to add I’m not complaining to Brendan or Top. just saying if a player isn’t good enough but still gets picked, should he be blamed or does the finger pointing go elsewhere.

Personally, I think Big Bren is a fantastic manager, but he has a blind spot regarding Kel/Perez. It was always obvious to me that Kel was by far the better option ( whether as main striker, support striker or on the right) and he has proved that categorically, despite Perez being afforded so many more chances.

 

Rodgers is a superb manager, but that doesn’t mean he gets every single thing right;  nor does it mean that he should be completely insulated from any criticism or questioning of his selections.
 

I don’t think it’s Top’s fault at all - I don’t even think we need another signing we just need to select the players that are effective and not select the players that are consistently ineffective - I think it’s really that simple. I think much of the criticism of Perez arises because it seems to many fans that he is given preferential treatment despite his underwhelming contribution for us.

[Vestan Pance]

If he can't get the basics right then there is no point in us even debating which position is his best. I always try to be supportive of our players, but the gulf in performance level between Perez and the rest of the team is pretty stark, and that certainly isn't a blip. The answer is in Rodgers' hands.

Edited 1 August 2021 by Vestan Pance

[Wymsey]

He's literally the definition of a 'confidence player'; when he's on it, he can contribute well (see the Southampton away game in 2019).

He's devoid of any confidence, at present, it seems.

[TJB-fox]

Just looks absolutely, horrendously shot of confidence, I feel for him.

 

Thing that bugs me most is that he’s been pretty poor on the wing for us but always looked far more effective behind the striker.
 

Why not let him and Maddison compete for that #10 role? Why continue to play him on the wing. 

[KFS]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Everyone loved Okazaki, and he didn’t score many, didn’t create many, didn’t do much different to what Perez does for us to be honest. But you know, just because he had a charming smile that makes all the difference. 

Absolute pish, sorry.

 

Shinji was good at the role in the team he was set up to do. Perez is not. That’s why people give one shit versus the other.

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, TJB-fox said:

Just looks absolutely, horrendously shot of confidence, I feel for him.

 

Thing that bugs me most is that he’s been pretty poor on the wing for us but always looked far more effective behind the striker.
 

Why not let him and Maddison compete for that #10 role? Why continue to play him on the wing. 

This. 

[sm1]

4 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I like when he presses the ball. That's nice. 

So are his hair and tan. In all seriousness, the best we can hope for is that Benitez puts in a cheeky 10-15m bid.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

15 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

He's literally the definition of a 'confidence player'; when he's on it, he can contribute well (see the Southampton away game in 2019).

He's devoid of any confidence, at present, it seems.

Just need the opponents down to 10 men and 4 nill down and then Perez comes alive. Brill!

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

17 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

Just looks absolutely, horrendously shot of confidence, I feel for him.

 

Thing that bugs me most is that he’s been pretty poor on the wing for us but always looked far more effective behind the striker.
 

Why not let him and Maddison compete for that #10 role? Why continue to play him on the wing. 

Sell praet / ghezzal, let perez be the alternative for maddison (or kdh depending on the system) and buy a winger 

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Sell praet / ghezzal, let perez be the alternative for maddison (or kdh depending on the system) and buy a winger 

Then sell to Everton for £50 mill

[Winsum]

Does the bloke wear the correct footwear . He seems unable to stand up. I feel he would benefit with a move, he

appears to be the whipping boy

[Fox1norfolk]

1 hour ago, Winsum said:

Does the bloke wear the correct footwear . He seems unable to stand up. I feel he would benefit with a move, he

appears to be the whipping boy

He doesn’t have any studs on his boots and every time he falls over his arms go up, like a cry for help

[Sharpe's Fox]

Seems like if we have an opinion of a football player (on a football forum, I know!) many posters will get angry with a contradictory position saying that we're "buwwying" him. Maybe we should all say he's world-class and the same posters will come back with "meh, he's alright"?

[Simoken]

The problem with him here is he was given a new role to play thinking he was a versatile player to evolve into and it hasnt come off at all. This was a real bad scouting decision and hes becoming rather useless because hes most comfortable where Vardy/Daka play. He needs to go i think, for his own good.

 

BR wants the type of player that can play more than one position, to maximise his approach in games, hes a weak link.

Edited 1 August 2021 by Simoken

[TJB-fox]

33 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Seems like if we have an opinion of a football player (on a football forum, I know!) many posters will get angry with a contradictory position saying that we're "buwwying" him. Maybe we should all say he's world-class and the same posters will come back with "meh, he's alright"?

I haven’t seen any of your posts regarding Perez but If you’re getting offended by people getting sick of the OTT personal abuse that some of our players receive then you’re probably one of the idiots doing so. 
 

There’a a clear difference between criticism and nasty, personal slander. Our fan base is terrible for it and has been for a little while now. Embarrassing all round

[turkish14]

6 hours ago, Kevin Russell said:

Personally, I think Big Bren is a fantastic manager, but he has a blind spot regarding Kel/Perez. It was always obvious to me that Kel was by far the better option ( whether as main striker, support striker or on the right) and he has proved that categorically, despite Perez being afforded so many more chances.

 

Rodgers is a superb manager, but that doesn’t mean he gets every single thing right;  nor does it mean that he should be completely insulated from any criticism or questioning of his selections.
 

I don’t think it’s Top’s fault at all - I don’t even think we need another signing we just need to select the players that are effective and not select the players that are consistently ineffective - I think it’s really that simple. I think much of the criticism of Perez arises because it seems to many fans that he is given preferential treatment despite his underwhelming contribution for us.

Maybe Brendan sees more from Perez in training than what we do?

 

I remember Kaspar stating in an interview that kelechi form (when he went on that goal scoring run) is not a surprise as they see what he does in training. 
 

playing devils advocate, maybe Brendan sees something in Perez