Liverpool 2 Leicester 1 post match thread

[Foxhateram]

5 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Soft pen but it was a pen - truthfully under the circumstances the ref shouldn't have given it but it wasn't going to be overturned.  As we saw in the F.A. Cup last year Albrighton can be prone to panic-driven brain farts late in matches, and no way in hell he should have made that challenge.

 

It was a credible, workmanlike performance and would have been a great point.  But 18-2 in shots and 8-1 on target?  It's not like they weren't the better team.  Then good thing is even though we lost a point, we didn't give an extra two to anybody we're competing with in the standings.  Take encouragement from it, feel righteous indignation at the ref and move on.

They were clean through before Albrighton excellently tracked back to win the ball. Harsh to say brain fart on this one. Kasper calls for it, but then gets cut up. I'd like to see if the players that came across was offside to be honest, because he is certainly interfering with the keeper. 

 

Harsh to slate Albrighton on this one I think. If he'd hoofed it for a corner and they'd scored we be slating him for not letting Kasper retrieve it. 

[Danny Clender]

The irony for me is how the free-hit has turned into a gutting loss. 

Free-hit means easy come easy go, but understandably everyone is properly gutted.

 

It was a penalty because the ref made that decision, it's how the game is managed at present and the whole circus surrounding football is as much to blame for how yesterday's decision played out. 

The penalty situation had everything, dying moments of the game, clumsy challenge, theatrical falling, and a volatile crowd. There have been far softer penalties given and the debate sounds exactly the same.

VAR could have intervened and decided the decision either way. Still though, the decision is, and looks likely to remain a human decision, and that includes emotion. Trying not to sound like Dr Spock, but that's why it's not clear and obvious. VAR isn't AI, yet.

Hypothetically, switch the decision around and the debate remains the same with people arguing that it was a penalty and the ref has made the wrong decision. It's part of the game, it sucks, the sun comes up in the morning. 

 

Difficult to slam Klopp for his words on Choudhury. It was a heroic and clever piece of play to me, to my Liverpool family, it was a dangerous and cynical foul. Reading that Klopp says, we will be in Europe next year was very complimentary and he was so proud of how they defended against Vardy. He has a lot of respect for us and is such a good force for English football, I'm glad to have him in our league. 

 

The game; we were good right? We proved once again we have an improved defence, Evans reading of the game was standard superb and Soyuncu is not surprising anymore, he's a quality player. 

Ndidi continues to show his comfort in possession, looked good on the ball today.

Praet proved he's part of the starting 11, which is a real conundrum for Brendan. 

Perez looked like a proper Leicester player for the first time.

Maddison scored.

I can't find excuses for Chilwell. Yes, the lack of direct support in front of him sort of adds up, but his amateurish passing and vision of the game doesn't help him at all. He gave away possession yesterday, I lost count, but let's say 10 times, that's not good enough and is going to be a real problem for him if he doesn't work it out. 

 

If I haven't said it before, this is now down to Brendan, he's got some managing to do and he has a proper positive challenge. 

 

Over to the Burnley pre-match thread. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[UniFox21]

I'd be less upset if they'd absolutely battered us. We weren't at our best, yet we could've quite easily come away with a draw. 

[Guest ttfn]

25 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

With YT, the ball is out of play when the contact is made with his ankle. Therefore it’s either a red card or nothing. Var cannot decide to award a yellow (unless mistaken identity or a red has already been issued and needs to be changed to yellow). 

 

I’m also surprised that so many seem to think that the contact at the end is worthy of a pen. If mane went down straight away he could argue that Marc took his standing foot but he didn’t go down straight away. And he wasn’t travelling at any speed so the small contact wouldn’t have knocked him off balance. It was a delayed reaction to some contact which should never result in a pen.  But once the ref has made a subjective call to give it, the var isn’t going to overturn ........... its the ultimate soft pen and they shouldn’t be given in added time when decisive (when var is there to rectify clear and obvious errors)

Spot on on all fronts.

 

The Tielemans one couldn’t have been a penalty but certainly falls into the “seen them given” category as regards red cards. I’m certain Alexander-Arnold knew what he was doing there.

 

This idea that any contact has to equal a penalty is absolute nonsense and it’s a sign of how broken today’s game is that some people who watch a lot of football seem to think that’s the case. Somebody above describes it as a penalty by “the letter of the law” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

 

 

[st albans fox]

11 minutes ago, Danny Clender said:

 

 

Difficult to slam Klopp for his words on Choudhury. It was a heroic and clever piece of play to me, to my Liverpool family, it was a dangerous and cynical foul. Reading that Klopp says, we will be in Europe next year was very complimentary and he was so proud of how they defended against Vardy. He has a lot of respect for us and is such a good force for English football, I'm glad to have him in our league. 

 

 

 

Not sure about this ... Should managers be allowed to call out players from other clubs publicly??  Hamza’s challenge wasn’t dangerous  - he just took one for the team ....wasn’t high, wasn’t dangerous, wasn’t out of control 

 

klopps comments designed to take any heat off mane’s ‘dive’ for fear they may not get a decision next game ...... ...

 

bruce and now klopp have both called out hamza after games ..... its unacceptable and classless from klopp. He certainly wouldn’t  do that to a player from a top six club. I think the FA should get involved in this and remind managers of their responsibilities, especially given the social media stuff that followed his comments ......l.l

[Guest Markyblue]

15 minutes ago, Danny Clender said:

The irony for me is how the free-hit has turned into a gutting loss. 

Free-hit means easy come easy go, but understandably everyone is properly gutted.

 

It was a penalty because the ref made that decision, it's how the game is managed at present and the whole circus surrounding football is as much to blame for how yesterday's decision played out. 

The penalty situation had everything, dying moments of the game, clumsy challenge, theatrical falling, and a volatile crowd. There have been far softer penalties given and the debate sounds exactly the same.

VAR could have intervened and decided the decision either way. Still though, the decision is, and looks likely to remain a human decision, and that includes emotion. Trying not to sound like Dr Spock, but that's why it's not clear and obvious. VAR isn't AI, yet.

Hypothetically, switch the decision around and the debate remains the same with people arguing that it was a penalty and the ref has made the wrong decision. It's part of the game, it sucks, the sun comes up in the morning. 

 

Difficult to slam Klopp for his words on Choudhury. It was a heroic and clever piece of play to me, to my Liverpool family, it was a dangerous and cynical foul. Reading that Klopp says, we will be in Europe next year was very complimentary and he was so proud of how they defended against Vardy. He has a lot of respect for us and is such a good force for English football, I'm glad to have him in our league. 

 

The game; we were good right? We proved once again we have an improved defence, Evans reading of the game was standard superb and Soyuncu is not surprising anymore, he's a quality player. 

Ndidi continues to show his comfort in possession, looked good on the ball today.

Praet proved he's part of the starting 11, which is a real conundrum for Brendan. 

Perez looked like a proper Leicester player for the first time.

Maddison scored.

I can't find excuses for Chilwell. Yes, the lack of direct support in front of him sort of adds up, but his amateurish passing and vision of the game doesn't help him at all. He gave away possession yesterday, I lost count, but let's say 10 times, that's not good enough and is going to be a real problem for him if he doesn't work it out. 

 

If I haven't said it before, this is now down to Brendan, he's got some managing to do and he has a proper positive challenge. 

 

Over to the Burnley pre-match thread. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed with a lot of your post except klopp. Very complimentary is easy when you have won and his attack on chouds is disgusting,  he wants to look at what his players were upto. Would love man city to win it by a point again horrible club full of glory hunting tourist fans.

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not sure about this ... Should managers be allowed to call out players from other clubs publicly??  Hamza’s challenge wasn’t dangerous  - he just took one for the team ....wasn’t high, wasn’t dangerous, wasn’t out of control 

 

klopps comments designed to take any heat off mane’s ‘dive’ for fear they may not get a decision next game ...... ...

 

bruce and now klopp have both called out hamza after games ..... its unacceptable and classless from klopp. He certainly wouldn’t  do that to a player from a top six club. I think the FA should get involved in this and remind managers of their responsibilities, especially given the social media stuff that followed his comments ......l.l

 

The FA/ Kick It Out need to start sorting stuff like this out. Don't start attacking a player in an interview, especially with the amount of abuse that's around these days. 

 

Klopp could've easily just said "the ref saw it as a booking, I disagree but what can you do" and moved on.  

[UniFox21]

So even Liverpool fan Owen calls this as not a penalty.  

 

 

 

[The Guvnor]

Just watched MOTD and the replay of the Penalty decision. Mane has taken a touch then dived, it was a dive which makes the result even more galling 

[UniFox21]

Just now, The Guvnor said:

Just watched MOTD and the replay of the Penalty decision. Mane has taken a touch then dived, it was a dive which makes the result even more galling 

I'm just as annoyed with Salah pushing Soy off prior to the Hamza tackle. If that's the other way round its a foul on the attacker. 

 

The ref missed so much its ridiculous

[Stoopid]

I am becoming unhealthily obsessed by Klopp's teeth.

The contrast between their pearly luminescence and the mirthless glare of his eyes alarms me.

As does his general 70s porn-star persona - 'cool' or 'not cool ' peppering his pronouncements...

Bit of a cliché really (appropriate for a manager of Liverpool) which probably explains the media love-in with him.

Gets on my bloody teats!

[Clever Fox]

9 hours ago, wokinghamfox said:

Not a lot to say to this total load of tosh really!

When you learn something about the game I'm sure you will take a different view.

but of course your're entitled to your view.

[North Leeds Fox]

Think we played well yesterday against the European champions and will have caused them more issues than a lot of CL teams that will go to Anfield. Looked the better team after we actually passed it around rather than hitting it up in the air to vards where they recycled the ball very well as VVD won everything and he headed it straight to one of their players. Think we all know that mane went down easily and that TAA was lucky for his foul on youri but special mention to soyuncus pace and his anticipation. On about 4-5 occasions they hit it down the line from their full backs behind chilwell and he had a foot race with mane or salah and dealt with it brilliantly. 

 

Going forward, we have to play maddison more centrally, with him vardy and perez drifting around, we caused Liverpool no end of issues second half. 

[st albans fox]

Pérez had the advantage of coming into the game as they tired and their press dropped away somewhat ....

[EverybodyDannsNow]

Overall I thought we played well. We didn’t create loads of chances but we held our own for large parts of the game and were solid defensively, as we have been all season to be fair. 

 

It’s fine margins in football. If Albrighton clears that ball and we draw 1-1 it’s a fantastic away performance. Mane dives, we lose 2-1 and then people’s perception of the whole game changes. 

 

Surprised to see so much negativity on how we played/set up from some fans. We pressed high, gave them a few scares and limited them to a few goalscoring opportunities. 

 

Still very confident about about a top 4 finish after that - it was much better than the Old Trafford showing. 

 

Fingers crossed for some Arsenal and Chelsea slip ups today. I won’t mention Man U as (at the risk of sounding overly cocky) I don’t think they’re a threat to our finishing position this season. 

 

Onwards and upwards

 

 

[ozleicester]

12 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Shouldn't it have been retaken?

This a million fvcking times.. if you are going to introduce VAR, the use it properly!

[Tuna]

Nope, still angry.

[Ric Flair]

10 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Why did var not flag up the mane dive? Really struggling with this one 

It wasnt a clear and obvious dive, what needs to happen here is the referee goes and views the incident again on the monitor on the touchline as it's highly subjective so it's not going to be overturned by the geezer back in the VAR studio. 

[North Leeds Fox]

4 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Nope, still angry.

We will get them back boxing day. They will have just come back from the club world cup and hope our fans are bang up for it and give mane, salah, Robertson and klopp the same treatment we got from their whining fans yesterday. 

[Royston.]

Not a penalty but karma has done for us, remember spurs offside toe?

[mozartfox]

Yes it was a dive. Yes there was encroachment for the penalty. Yes VAR is crap (but it saved us against Spuds and Wolves).  I reality we dropped just one point as the game was heading for a draw.  

 

Hopefully, Vards gets his PADI license in time for the home game with them.

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, Danny Clender said:

The irony for me is how the free-hit has turned into a gutting loss. 

Free-hit means easy come easy go, but understandably everyone is properly gutted.

 

It was a penalty because the ref made that decision, it's how the game is managed at present and the whole circus surrounding football is as much to blame for how yesterday's decision played out. 

The penalty situation had everything, dying moments of the game, clumsy challenge, theatrical falling, and a volatile crowd. There have been far softer penalties given and the debate sounds exactly the same.

VAR could have intervened and decided the decision either way. Still though, the decision is, and looks likely to remain a human decision, and that includes emotion. Trying not to sound like Dr Spock, but that's why it's not clear and obvious. VAR isn't AI, yet.

Hypothetically, switch the decision around and the debate remains the same with people arguing that it was a penalty and the ref has made the wrong decision. It's part of the game, it sucks, the sun comes up in the morning. 

 

Difficult to slam Klopp for his words on Choudhury. It was a heroic and clever piece of play to me, to my Liverpool family, it was a dangerous and cynical foul. Reading that Klopp says, we will be in Europe next year was very complimentary and he was so proud of how they defended against Vardy. He has a lot of respect for us and is such a good force for English football, I'm glad to have him in our league. 

 

The game; we were good right? We proved once again we have an improved defence, Evans reading of the game was standard superb and Soyuncu is not surprising anymore, he's a quality player. 

Ndidi continues to show his comfort in possession, looked good on the ball today.

Praet proved he's part of the starting 11, which is a real conundrum for Brendan. 

Perez looked like a proper Leicester player for the first time.

Maddison scored.

I can't find excuses for Chilwell. Yes, the lack of direct support in front of him sort of adds up, but his amateurish passing and vision of the game doesn't help him at all. He gave away possession yesterday, I lost count, but let's say 10 times, that's not good enough and is going to be a real problem for him if he doesn't work it out. 

 

If I haven't said it before, this is now down to Brendan, he's got some managing to do and he has a proper positive challenge. 

 

Over to the Burnley pre-match thread. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excellent post IMO,   A good read..!!

Edited 6 October 2019 by fuchsntf

[Guest BlueBrett]

Trying so hard to put this one into perspective and move on but just can't get over it 

I think it'll take the next match to cleanse me.

[RonnieTodger]

Still hurts this one

[turtmcfly]

2 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Watching it back if theirs is a penalty, then TAA on Tielemans is too. The fact the ball left the field in that instance is irrelevant. Both are accidental contact on the ankle in the penalty area, so both should be treated the same. All VAR did was check for a red on the TAA incident, but again is too weak offer assistance on a subjective incident. Its looked at both of them today and agreed with the ref on both despite it being the same infringement having different outcomes.

 

The fact it happened nearer to the corner flag than the penalty area is definitely relevant