Hammo Posted 15 November 2019 Share Posted 15 November 2019 6 hours ago, Babylon said: Laughable. Isn’t it just? Complete fabrication. The clue of course is in the ‘Sky Sports understands’ bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knitro Posted 15 November 2019 Share Posted 15 November 2019 This isn't directed at anyone specifically, but I always thought the well-worn lingo around transfers of 'get rid' was unnecessarily derisive. Not every player works out at every club, but talking about them as if they're spoiled food which needs to be thrown away is emblematic of the worse parts of entitled fandom. I hope the fringe guys are found better places (Mendy back to France or elsewhere in the PL, Matty James to the Championship or lower PL) to either prove their value or help clear the wagebook here. It doesn't have to be personal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynard Posted 15 November 2019 Share Posted 15 November 2019 7 hours ago, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said: Man City consider Jonny Evans and Caglar Soyuncu Like clockwork. What a surprise, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 15 November 2019 Share Posted 15 November 2019 9 hours ago, An Sionnach said: Newspapers are mostly only read by old people anyway and are going the way of the dodo. Please don't quote them on here. Rodgers will not allow any important player to leave this club while they are under contract nor will we be able to buy any in form player from another club without paying a fortune so the speculation is pointless. And that’s the problem because tomorrow I’m going to have to explain it’s a load of bullshit to my mrs’ old man who will be convinced we’re selling our 2 centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 (edited) I have read all posts in this topic,can understand the various separate thoughts and ideas. Even those I might heavily disagree still have solid valuations.but many still forget with only 12 games gone and still the rest of an hard season in front of us,seem blind to some real highly possible injury hits we might take..Yes our title season,we were practically injury free..and Ranieri played safe so well he could,by not Tinkering..!! Now we have a larger group of fringe players and higher individual quality.. Except Vardy's position.. CB because of Benkovic injury it's a worry,but with Morgan,then flexable Amartey,maybe Ndidi and at a push,Fuchs,maybe better off than 2015/16.. Wingers/wingback..no immediate pressure. Across the whole midfield,no major problem... But even after all that ,we seem to want to dive without too much logical after thought into throwing players out on loan...Man.city ,present day L'pool,Chelsea have recognised their non-playing fringe players,who might just get on the bench,but over the last seasons will know some just have to grin & bare it..They won't send potential immediate first team players out on loan.They keep their cache..That why they are still getting results in all competitions...Manutd,Spurs,Arsenal- of now and under Wenger,too easily sent their "nearly" men out on loan,and discovered suddenly after form-loss,or 2-4 major,or just irritating injuries,they had/have an empty and bare quality/experience/PL-capable locker.. We take 3 big injuries,plus a couple with niggling injuries and any of our still wanna-bes like Mendy,Nacho,Benkovic,Amartey/Leshabela/Choudhury are out on loan.We have no fallback or cover with quality and who can more than hold their own for 3-6 games. It's not just the individual positions and that extra quality those automatic 1st teamers have,but those fringe players named have the Leicester-way, and Rodger's routines,for the just in case possibility..!! Because that what the Top teams really do,the others teams including Leicester of old,just waffle on the thought but hardly practice the serious side of it.Often simply not having the player resources..We are ourselves not completely there,but I am sure Rodgers will know and be sure what to do if Vardy takes a big hit...Plus someone might just suprisingly step up...and throw his guantlet into the room(field) Barnes/Gray..for example.. We don't want to really think about it...but..!! It's not beyond any pre-forethought,that a scenario of losing for example..... Vardy, Evans,Tielemans,or Maddison,Tielemans,Ndidi, won't of been calculated... It's not just the then chosen fringe players,that come in for a long run of games,but who replaces them on the bench who can and understand the Rodgers ideology and mesh immediately with teammates,when called on from the bench... If the wrong part of that cache is out on loan...one is up the creek without the prevetbial paddle ...To keep that pressure on the teams ambitions,and on the top 5 competing opponents..!!! It's now a different story,we are not just happy in the PL happy to chase down & Lingure around positions 8-14th accepting our previous older ambitions. We have smelt & tasted blood our new era has brought us ambitions of lofty hights,and hopefully higher consistent levels...Sending our proven PL quality fringe players out on loan is IMO not a luxury funny enough we can now not afford,or we have to be selective and wise.. Loans are not such an easy option has one previously would of easily taken..Mendy..Amartey,Leshabela,might be not just called upon,but needed quicker than one expects... We from the terraces have to be more thoughtfull and prudent,before we demand the needs/ideas for loans... Man.city can carry Bruyne,Aguero..loss , Irreplaceable,but still get results without both of them...We ain't got the financial clout..so in our case realise the positive reality of players like Mendy,Amartey,and use Gray by recognosing what Rodgers has done for his case.. We need this type of player,we can't afford to have top quality proven players,unsettling the squad when they find they have few chances for regular game-time... For cup expectations,we need a gamble and a mix n pic mentality...We,ve taken the easy choice of Justin..Fuchs for this season only.,but it would be good not only to see Nacho grab his chance,but 1-2 academy starlets to be thrown in.. Or we have had a taste of seeing Leshabela give him a responsible role against Everton,with experience around him...!! For the run-in after middle of January we might need him,or some other,we unwisely send out on loan.. Edited 16 November 2019 by fuchsntf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 Can't see any of our key players leaving in January and next summer depends on where we finish (ie CL football) and how much clubs are willing to pay / if players try and force a move. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell sprout Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 Just thinking but has Matty James been on the payroll for 7 years now🤔 swear I say his debut against Peterborough in 11/12 season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 No one is going to leave. Look at what's happened to all the stars that have left us in recent season. Mahrez = bench, Maguire is struggling, Drinkwater is no where to be seen. These are examples that the grass is not always greener on the other side with us more able to compete on finances. I think we are the perfect club for young and up and coming talent to develop their career as we give chances that the other big clubs wouldn't. Also in a few years, we will have one of the best training facilities in the world, to continue to develop our players into top, top players. Coupled with having a manager who is tactically astute and a great man manager, why would anyone want to leave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkingfox Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 Some of this media garbage is true comedy writing, some comedians could find some great material here, this one did make me laugh, are some supporters truly this gullible? https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/11/blogs/premier-league/liverpool-reds-fans-want-maddison-at-anfield/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 4 hours ago, shailen said: No one is going to leave. Look at what's happened to all the stars that have left us in recent season. Mahrez = bench, Maguire is struggling, Drinkwater is no where to be seen. These are examples that the grass is not always greener on the other side with us more able to compete on finances. I think we are the perfect club for young and up and coming talent to develop their career as we give chances that the other big clubs wouldn't. Also in a few years, we will have one of the best training facilities in the world, to continue to develop our players into top, top players. Coupled with having a manager who is tactically astute and a great man manager, why would anyone want to leave us? Though I agree in part, not totally Genuinely can’t see Mendy, Amartey, James getting game time under Brendan For the good of their careers they should leave, at least on loan. I see on here yet again people stating that Amartey and Mendy are good enough for a ‘lower Prem team’ I can’t see it personally. I imagine Mendy returning to France and Big Dan back to Copenhagen for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPinCarolina Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 12 hours ago, fuchsntf said: I have read all posts in this topic,can understand the various separate thoughts and ideas. Even those I might heavily disagree still have solid valuations.but many still forget with only 12 games gone and still the rest of an hard season in front of us,seem blind to some real highly possible injury hits we might take..Yes our title season,we were practically injury free..and Ranieri played safe so well he could,by not Tinkering..!! Now we have a larger group of fringe players and higher individual quality.. Except Vardy's position.. CB because of Benkovic injury it's a worry,but with Morgan,then flexable Amartey,maybe Ndidi and at a push,Fuchs,maybe better off than 2015/16.. Wingers/wingback..no immediate pressure. Across the whole midfield,no major problem... But even after all that ,we seem to want to dive without too much logical after thought into throwing players out on loan...Man.city ,present day L'pool,Chelsea have recognised their non-playing fringe players,who might just get on the bench,but over the last seasons will know some just have to grin & bare it..They won't send potential immediate first team players out on loan.They keep their cache..That why they are still getting results in all competitions...Manutd,Spurs,Arsenal- of now and under Wenger,too easily sent their "nearly" men out on loan,and discovered suddenly after form-loss,or 2-4 major,or just irritating injuries,they had/have an empty and bare quality/experience/PL-capable locker.. We take 3 big injuries,plus a couple with niggling injuries and any of our still wanna-bes like Mendy,Nacho,Benkovic,Amartey/Leshabela/Choudhury are out on loan.We have no fallback or cover with quality and who can more than hold their own for 3-6 games. It's not just the individual positions and that extra quality those automatic 1st teamers have,but those fringe players named have the Leicester-way, and Rodger's routines,for the just in case possibility..!! Because that what the Top teams really do,the others teams including Leicester of old,just waffle on the thought but hardly practice the serious side of it.Often simply not having the player resources..We are ourselves not completely there,but I am sure Rodgers will know and be sure what to do if Vardy takes a big hit...Plus someone might just suprisingly step up...and throw his guantlet into the room(field) Barnes/Gray..for example.. We don't want to date think about it...but It's not beyond any pre-forethought,that a scenario of losing for example..... Vardy, Evans,Tielemans,or Maddison,Tielemans,Ndidi, won't of been calculated... It's not just the then chosen fringe players,that come in for a long run of games,but who replaces them on the bench who can and understand the Rodgers ideology and mesh immediately with teammates,when called on from the bench... If the wrong part of that cache is out on loan...one is up the creek without the prevetbial paddle ...To keep that pressure on the teams ambitions,and on the top 5 competing opponents..!!! It's now a different story,we are not just happy in the PL happy to chase down & Lingure around positions 8-14th accepting our previous older ambitions. We have smelt & tasted blood our new era has brought us ambitions of lofty hights,and hopefully higher consistent levels...Sending our proven PL quality fringe players out on loan is IMO not a luxury funny enough we can now not afford,or we have to be selective and wise.. Loans are not such an easy option has one previously would of easily taken..Mendy..Amartey,Leshabela,might be not just called upon,but needed quicker than one expects... We from the terraces have to be more thoughtfull and prudent,before we demand the needs/ideas for loans... Man.city can carry Bruyne,Aguero..loss , Irreplaceable,but still get results without both of them...We ain't got the financial clout..so in our case realise the positive reality of players like Mendy,Amartey,and use Gray by recognosing what Rodgers has done for his case.. We need this type of player,we can't afford to have top quality proven players,unsettling the squad when they find they have few chances for regular game-time... For cup expectations,we need a gamble and a mix n pic mentality...We,ve taken the easy choice of Justin..Fuchs for this season only.,but it would be good not only to see Nacho grab his chance,but 1-2 academy starlets to be thrown in.. Or we have had a taste of seeing Leshabela give him a responsible role against Everton,with experience around him...!! For the run-in after middle of January we might need him,or some other,we unwisely send out on loan.. Development is a hugely important part of sustaining success. Internal development costs are so much lower than the purchase cost for external players. Can’t forget that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 16 November 2019 Share Posted 16 November 2019 1 hour ago, UPinCarolina said: Development is a hugely important part of sustaining success. Internal development costs are so much lower than the purchase cost for external players. Can’t forget that. If I Think of a or our 25 man squad,how many of our internal youngsters,have Burst the banks,and floooded through to the First team..... Chilwell,Barnes, Choudhury,Lesabela(on the fringe) the other Youngsters were brought & bought in...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post foxinsox Posted 17 November 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 17 November 2019 On 15/11/2019 at 11:09, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said: Man City consider Jonny Evans and Caglar Soyuncu Like clockwork. Presumably they still want Chilwell as well. Let's chuck in Ricardo and Kasper too to sweeten the deal... Honestly, If they are that keen to watch our team, let the twats buy a Sky subscription like everyone else. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 On 15/11/2019 at 04:09, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said: Man City consider Jonny Evans and Caglar Soyuncu Like clockwork. Thats just shite journalism ... no premier league team would sell their two starting centre backs in the January window. Thats just begging to be relegated ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebeau Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 19 hours ago, shailen said: No one is going to leave. Look at what's happened to all the stars that have left us in recent season. Mahrez = bench, Maguire is struggling, Drinkwater is no where to be seen. These are examples that the grass is not always greener on the other side with us more able to compete on finances. I think we are the perfect club for young and up and coming talent to develop their career as we give chances that the other big clubs wouldn't. Also in a few years, we will have one of the best training facilities in the world, to continue to develop our players into top, top players. Coupled with having a manager who is tactically astute and a great man manager, why would anyone want to leave us? ££££££££££££££££££££ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 Whilst a young player would have to consider their long term development re moving to a ‘big club’ weighed against huge package, those in their mid twenties could well be tempted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 No starting player will go in January. Why strength direct rivals? The model of departures is quite clear. A player sold each Summer to fund the transfers but maybe a CL campaign would hold that off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxtonfox Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 We hope and expect none of the first eleven for January. Why would they go? Bar at Man Utd only the defenders would likely be starters in the big six teams. I’d expect Nacho, Mendy and possibly Albrighton of the squad to be candidates for a January move. I feel that Madders and Chilwell would be most vulnerable over the summer especially with good performances in Euro 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 As far as who holds the whip hand in our transfers it's the club. Nothing to worry about this summer and even next summer I'm sure Gray and Evans will be happy to sign up. All our top young talent is contracted for at least another 3.5 years. Rudkin has got his job by the balls. 2020 Jakupovic, Fuchs, Morgan, Mendy 2021 Evans, Gray 2022 Albrighton, James, Vardy, Ward, Amartey, Iheanacho 2023 Schmeichel, Ricardo, Perez, Tielemans, Benkovic, Maddison, Soyuncu, Choudhury 2024 Praet, Ndidi, Chilwell, Barnes, Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Blessed It Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 Mid-season panic buying the starting centre backs from a financially wealthy club that are serious contenders to play in the Champions League next season. I genuinely think it would cost someone more than £100 million to realistically take Soyuncu from us in January given his form and our circumstances. Similar sentiment for Maddison, Ndidi, Chilwell, Pereira etc - given how much they also seem to love it here I think we'll only get rid of the players we really don't want to keep hold of. Good chance we'll get something for Slim, Silva and Mendy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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That_Dude Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 1 hour ago, Bossman Blessed It said: Mid-season panic buying the starting centre backs from a financially wealthy club that are serious contenders to play in the Champions League next season. I genuinely think it would cost someone more than £100 million to realistically take Soyuncu from us in January given his form and our circumstances. Similar sentiment for Maddison, Ndidi, Chilwell, Pereira etc - given how much they also seem to love it here I think we'll only get rid of the players we really don't want to keep hold of. Good chance we'll get something for Slim, Silva and Mendy. We won't sell. Not for 100, 200, 500M or 1 Billion. That's a team that can be in the CL next year, I'd say we're not going to lose anyone of them in the summer let alone in january. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 we've never sold a first team regular in January under these owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest An Sionnach Posted 17 November 2019 Share Posted 17 November 2019 Joe the pieman is interesting Notts. County but Rodgers won't let him go for any less than 6 pound 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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