urban.spaceman Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 minutes ago, Beechey said: Make Labour Electable Again! MLEA doesn't quite roll off the tongue. Make Anew Labour Electable? Though that spells out MALE which is bound to wind up the right people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 That's my membership cancelled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 Yup, the right people are absolutely fuming : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Yup, the right people are absolutely fuming : They're both right tbf. Not that they wouldn't be the first 2 people to jump on the sacking bandwagon for a more centrist Labour MP/Tory MP who did exactly the same (and doubtless have in the past). But that's politics I guess, Labour have to been seen to be trying to make a move back to the centre and into electable territory again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 33 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: She was thick as **** anyway. mince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 Keir Starmer is ticking all the right boxes for me, and I say that as someone who has voted Tory the past two elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 27 minutes ago, Bilo said: The electorate will compare Starmer's quick action with that of his predecessor and, crucially, Johnson's stubborn refusal to countenance the sacking of Cummings and Jenrick for far worse than RLB did. I think it'll be a favourable comparison on both counts, and certainly shows that anything that even has the whiff of antisemitism isn't going to fly any more. Worse? Cummings was a PR issue and Jenrick the housing minister approved a housing development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Keir Starmer is ticking all the right boxes for me, and I say that as someone who has voted Tory the past two elections. That's why hes got a chance, hes a better tory prime minister than boris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silebyfox_89 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 I've voted for both main political parties in the past, Keir Starmer has impressed me so far since winning the leadership and his appointing his shadow cabinet (Ex David Lammy). It looks like we will have an effective opposition for the first time in a while which is good for politics all round. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 5 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said: I've voted for both main political parties in the past, Keir Starmer has impressed me so far since winning the leadership and his appointing his shadow cabinet (Ex David Lammy). It looks like we will have an effective opposition for the first time in a while which is good for politics all round. So you're a swinger! Completely agree on Keir, while I still don't think he has hit his stride, can you imagine Long Bailey or Nandy forming an opposition? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Worse? Cummings was a PR issue and Jenrick the housing minister approved a housing development. Jenrick's was definitely worse, by a long, long, long margin. One shared an article that, let's face it, wasn't really anti-semitic (though it serves her right for going anywhere near the subject), and one is involved in a blatantly clear corruption scandal. Astute move by Keir here, really. Edited 25 June 2020 by Charl91 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 6 minutes ago, Charl91 said: Jenrick's was definitely worse, by a long, long, long margin. One shared an article that, let's face it, wasn't really anti-semitic (though it serves her right for going anywhere near the subject), and one is involved in a blatantly clear corruption scandal. Astute move by Keir here, really. Where is the corruption? Is there any proof whatoever Jenrick have benefitted in any way from approving the scheme? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) Eh. The article RBL shared, I think the parts about us being ruled by fascist dictators was probably worse than the Isreal stuff, but it's a pretty common trope of modern political discourse sadly to just call everything fascist to try and emitionise and shut down debates. It was definitely a silly article to share and to be fair this is exactly the sort of thing Corbyn would have spent far more time caring about vocally defending any anti-Israel sentiment than actually caring about any criticisms of anti-semitism. So I guess it's definitely a step forward in that sense. As I said the other day, I agree with the posts above. I'm generally a bit of a swing voter too and I'm liking what I've seen from Starmer so far. Edited 25 June 2020 by Sampson 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Keir Starmer is ticking all the right boxes for me, and I say that as someone who has voted Tory the past two elections. Same. Would think for every crying activist/Corbynista threatening to cancel their Labour Party membership in a twitter meltdown, there are more pragmatists impressed by what Starmer is doing. I in no way want to vote for this incarnation of Tory government again any time soon - a Labour party moving towards the centre ground is ripe for my vote. I do hope he doesn't abandon all left leaning policy though. Edited 25 June 2020 by martyn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 You know, I never knew so many people lived in Holborn/St Pancras on here. Surprising for a Leicester City football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 hours ago, Bilo said: The electorate will compare Starmer's quick action with that of his predecessor and, crucially, Johnson's stubborn refusal to countenance the sacking of Cummings and Jenrick for far worse than RLB did. I think it'll be a favourable comparison on both counts, and certainly shows that anything that even has the whiff of antisemitism isn't going to fly any more. I think most of the electorate will be too busy enjoying the sunshine and getting stoked for the 4th of July to notice RLB getting sacked for nothing and Jenrick not getting sacked for something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Where is the corruption? Is there any proof whatoever Jenrick have benefitted in any way from approving the scheme? Depends on your view But the developer donating £12k off the back of the scheme being approved isn’t a good look. Starmer actually hasn’t called for a resignation. Whoever is advising Keir is good at understanding how the media and reaction to news works Edited 25 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finnaldo Posted 25 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sampson said: Eh. The article RBL shared, I think the parts about us (the West) being ruled by fascist dictators was probably worse than the Isreal stuff, but it's a pretty common trope of modern political discourse sadly to just call everything fascist to try and emitionise and shut down debates. It was definitely a silly article to share and to be fair this is exactly the sort of thing Corbyn would have spent far more time caring about vocally defending any anti-Israel sentiment than actually caring about any criticisms of anti-semitism. So I guess it's definitely a step forward in that sense. As I said the other day, I agree with the posts above. I'm generally a bit of a swing voter too and I'm liking what I've seen from Starmer so far. It’s a bit of a thin red line in regards to anti-semitism. I had a poster (I won’t say who, they can say if they wish) who are Jewish themselves and educated me on it from their perspective in the run-up to the election, and I’ve watched a video essay very recently going over the subject. Ultimately, it was a rather harmful theory in my opinion. ‘Israel teach American police their brutality’ is 1) patently untrue as several policemen came forward after the George Floyd incident to say they’re trained to NEVER lean on someone’s neck, the act alone is misconduct in official lines, and 2) it suggests far more influence than Israel in actuality have. Even if it’s not intentional it’s drawn from fiercely anti-Semitic tropes that ‘((they))‘ control or influence over foreign governments. There’s legitimate criticism of Israel’s government and it’s domestic and foreign policy (for example, the nigh on apartheid in occupied West Bank and the fact Pro-Israel lobbying groups DO hold SOME sway in American politics) but it needs to be reasoned and fair, intentional or not this article is rather inflammatory and it’s certainly not something a Labour frontbencher should be sharing. I certainly think it was the right call from Keir. Edited 25 June 2020 by Finnaldo 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 44 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: I think most of the electorate will be too busy enjoying the sunshine and getting stoked for the 4th of July to notice RLB getting sacked for nothing and Jenrick not getting sacked for something Old MattP would be having a field day today on here over all this. Someone needs to step up on this thread and fill his right wing shoes. I vote for @UpTheLeagueFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silebyfox_89 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: So you're a swinger! Completely agree on Keir, while I still don't think he has hit his stride, can you imagine Long Bailey or Nandy forming an opposition? Nothing wrong with a good swing! I agree i think he's more methodical and calculated than some people think, i wonder if Boris popularity will start to wear thin in the coming months? Funnily enough i liked Nandy at the beginning but she went a bit of piste with some of her views during the leadership campaign with put me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) Should have had more sense. It’s her own fault. Twitter is a minefield. Edited 25 June 2020 by l444ry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 RLB is just a Corbyn stooge. Good riddance. Cue some serious infighting amongst Labour now as the left of the party licks its wounds. Be interesting to see how Starmer deals with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Worse? Cummings was a PR issue and Jenrick the housing minister approved a housing development. Spot on Jon Apart from the government accepting that he acted unlawfully and Jenrick admitting to the appearance of bias he did absolutely nothing wrong https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-bias-tower-hamlets-westferry-printworks-richard-desmond-northern-shell-a9534941.html%3famp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 hours ago, Sampson said: Eh. The article RBL shared, I think the parts about us being ruled by fascist dictators was probably worse than the Isreal stuff, but it's a pretty common trope of modern political discourse sadly to just call everything fascist to try and emitionise and shut down debates. It was definitely a silly article to share and to be fair this is exactly the sort of thing Corbyn would have spent far more time caring about vocally defending any anti-Israel sentiment than actually caring about any criticisms of anti-semitism. So I guess it's definitely a step forward in that sense. As I said the other day, I agree with the posts above. I'm generally a bit of a swing voter too and I'm liking what I've seen from Starmer so far. I do feel it's a slight overreaction however she gave Starmer the perfect opportunity to prove his 'zero tolerance' to anti-semitism approach. A small whiff and she's gone and honestly I think he's got it spot on. What good was she thinking would come from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 I know that it wasn't the central focus of the article, but I can't get over the absurdity of Maxine Peake's claim (which she's now admitted was wrong and has apologised for): “Systemic racism is a global issue. The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” Without any evidence, she seriously suggested that the Minneapolis police force learned to kneel on suspects' necks.....at seminars with the Israeli secret services?!? Maybe the seminars were led by Elvis Presley riding Shergar on his way to the grassy knoll to shoot JFK? Why would you make such an absurd claim without evidence, unless it was based on prejudice - prejudice against the Israeli nation, if not outright anti-semitism? I don't buy how McDonnell and the others claim this is OK because she was accusing Israel, not Jews. So, if she'd accused Israel of bringing down the Twin Towers, spreading Covid and killing Madeleine, that would be OK, would it? Yes, it's justified to criticise Israeli institutions for things they actually do - illegal settlements, brutality against Palestinians, dodgy stuff genuinely done by Mossad for which there's evidence etc. But absurd kneejerk accusations like this are, at the least, blatant anti-Israeli prejudice.....and we all know which race Israel is most intensely associated with, so I'd say it probably is anti-semitism. I'm sure Long-Bailey mainly circulated that article because it was pro-Labour Left unity. She may not have even noticed the offending sentence. But it seems she then tried to argue the toss, wanting to add a disclaimer rather than removing the item when asked.....if so, that's truly dense. I actually doubt that Starmer wanted to sack her as it will make his relations with the Labour Left a lot trickier. On a trivial note: Long-Bailey shares a weekday London flat with Deputy Leader Angela Rayner and they're best mates......would like to be a fly on that wall. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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