Man City CAS

[HybridFox]

That's the end of financial fair play. did it ever exist 

[GlenParvaFox]

Not surprised.

[Alf Bentley]

7 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

FFP is a joke anyway, it's there just to protect the big clubs.

 

7th is a Europa League spot isn't it? I can't see Spurs winning all three games, hopefully we'll get a draw against them and that'll be enough.

 

I don't even want Europe, rather we didn't have it next season if we can't go, just worried a couple of players will want to go if we don't get any form of European football.

 

I think 7th is only a Europa League place IF Arsenal don't win the FA Cup and IF Wolves don't win the Europa League (assuming neither finish top 4).

 

As it stands, Europa League:

- 5th place (automatic)

- 6th place (in lieu of Carabao/League Cup, as Man City will now be in CL)

- FA Cup winners.....but would go to 7th place if winners finish in top 6 (certain for Man City, almost certain for Man Utd & Chelsea, not at all certain for Arsenal)

 

....but, if Wolves win Europa League, then we have 5 teams in CL (inc. Wolves) & only 2 in Europa League (so conceivably even 6th might not be enough IF Arsenal win FA Cup & Wolves win EL?)

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, you experts! 

[lgfualol]

Just now, Super_horns said:

Means it can be a free for all regarding spending?

 

FFP is a waste of time then. 

Nah only applies to the smaller clubs or those not owned by the state of Qatar, who dare spend more to try and compete.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

There are two separate issues here.

 

Man City should have rightly brought to 'justice' over FFP and the whole issue stinks. 

 

However, we don't deserve to be in the CL if we are not in the top 4, which seems unlikely now. Blowing it big time on the field is what is disgusting from our point of view really. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Implications on footy as a whole are dogshit but I genuinely couldn't care less about us losing our get out of jail card.

 

[BlueLoo]

Any way you look at it, this has been one crazy mixed up season !

[Les-TA-Jon]

Anyone else completely confused by the CAS statement?

 

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf

 

The original case:

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The case concerns an appeal filed by Manchester City FC (MCFC) against the decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) dated 14 February 2020 in which it was deemed to have contravened UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations and sanctioned with exclusion from participation in UEFA club competitions in the next two seasons and ordered to pay a fine of EUR 30 million.

CAS Decision:

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CAS Panel deliberated and concluded that the decision issued on 14 February 2020 by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB should be set aside and replaced by the following: a.) MCFC has contravened Article 56 of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations. b.) MCFC shall pay a fine of EUR 10,000,000 to the UEFA, within 30 days as from the date of issuance of the arbitral award.

So CAS agrees that they broke the rules? 

 

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As the charges with respect to any dishonest concealment of equity funding were clearly more significant violations than obstructing the CFCB’s investigations, it was not appropriate to impose a ban on participating in UEFA’s club competitions for MCFC’s failure to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations alone.

CAS found that found that fiddling the books was more significant a crime that obstructing UEFA's investigation. OK fair enough -that sounds about right? 

 

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However, considering i) the financial resources of MCFC; ii) the importance of the cooperation of clubs in investigations conducted by the CFCB, because of its limited investigative means; and iii) MCFC’s disregard of such principle and its obstruction of the investigations, the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3, i.e. to the amount of EUR 10 million.

What!? So CAS are saying yes they broke the rules, but what does 'considering the financial resources of MCFC' even mean in this context? And CAS is saying its important that club's cooperate with investigations and agrees that MCFC did obstruct. They agree that 'a significant fine should be imposed' and yet they reduced it by two thirds...

 

That statement doesn't clear anything up!

 

EDIT: Some corrections - Article 56 is specifically only about co-operation. So CAS agrees that they didn't cooperate but they don't think they actually broke the FFP rules, because either UEFA didn't sufficiently prove it or the offences were 'time-barred': 

 

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The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred.

 

Edited 13 July 2020 by Les-TA-Jon

[srex9]

I don't think my brain has the capability to dream up more shitty last 16 hours or so for our club. 

 

Need Southampton to give us some hope.

[RumbleFox]

You all know I’m not one to overreact but fvck me, football is dead. X 

[Lad1966]

Aim for 5th places now- I wasn’t expecting CAS to do us any favours and to be frank we don’t deserve it on current form. This team lacks steel, in the summer we need to buy players with strong mentality- you need players stand up when the going get tough. Maybe this experience may have a positive effect, use this pain in a positive way for the rest of the season. We mustn’t feel sorry for ourselves 

[fox_up_north]

Well...I genuinely am surprised. I thought they'd get at least a year because, to have it overturned would make a complete mockery of UEFA's FFP rules. 

 

If we're pissed off, I can only imagine how this news has gone down in Germany. 

[Beechey]

6 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

Quite the opposite. It makes last nights result all the more meaningful. 5th would have seen us in Champions League, something we could have clung onto.

 

Now, it's just Europa League.

 

Gonna be a hard summer. 

Yesterday we had the hope of clinging onto CL, bit with this ruling we would have lost that even if we had won yesterday

Edited 13 July 2020 by Beechey

[FerrisBueller]

This the same CAS that upheld the Silva 14 second thing?

 

[Matt]

On 10/07/2020 at 15:41, Matt said:

If we can't qualify by making top 4 then we only have ourselves to blame anyway given where we were and the gap we had.

 

We're quick to call other clubs bottlers, have a laugh and giggle but if we don't make top 4 we've bottled it and not been good enough simple.

 

Money talks and Man City were always going to have it overturned but let's not beat around the bush our form since Christmas has been nothing short of undeserving European football anyway but if it softens the blow or people wanna bury their heads in the sand and look for something to blame other than ourselves for not getting that then knock yourselves out.

 

It's in our hands however, the objective should have been to finish atleast 4th anyway, take the thought of a 'comfort blanket' of 5th out the equation, but hopefully confirmation of taking 5th of the table focuses some minds.

 

Regardless of this being true or not these opinions remain the same, anything other than a top 4 place is a failure (Even if 5th place qualifies for CL) on our part is how I assess this season given where we were and the gap we had, certainly given our form and performances since Christmas.

 

 

I stand by my original post even more so after last night.

 

It’s for the best we don’t make European football anyway. We’d be humiliated.

 

The real down side to all this is that twat Pep who everyone wants to emulate his shity style of boring football will be hanging around for abit longer.

Edited 13 July 2020 by Matt

[jonthefox]

6 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Basically they have been given the green light to spend money at their will ?

 

FFP is a waste of time then. 

only applies to clubs like ours. It keeps us in our place. 

[surrifox]

7 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

Why would UEFA bother banning them in the first place? 

I’m guessing that the boys with spreadsheets do the analysis and make recommendations where guidelines are breached - once the evidence is presented to the decision makers and interpretations are placed on intent to commit offences or deception . All the rules appear to be honoured more in the breach than the observance . Chelsea were the subject of a transfer ban but spent a fortune pre signing players in the last few weeks 

[fox_up_north]

It gets worse - I've just seen on another forum, someone who supports another PL club saying we're just as guilty of abusing FFP as Man City.

[Fox1norfolk]

1 minute ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Football's corrupt to the core, always has been and always will be. I hope one day it changes, but I just can't see it.

Not why Sky and Prem league are pulling the strings. They do not want Burnley, Sheffield Leicester etc in. Champions League they are not commercial brands worldwide it’s all about money. It’s a conspiracy no question about that ,the outcome was guaranteed MC could not lose

[TheUltimateWinner]

https://twitter.com/footbalIfights/status/1229123438335406080?s

Was there ever any doubt, anyway?

 

When you're that rich you can buy any decision you want.

[Fox92]

21 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Right decision was made. Two year ban was excessive. 

It wasn’t though.

 

The rich clubs like Man City can afford a fine so it’s nothing. What’s the point in having FFP? Every rich clubs minds well break it and then just accept the fine. It’s a joke.

 

I’m not bothered about the influence on us, we’ve messed it up for ourselves, but it just highlights that rich clubs can do anything they want.

Edited 13 July 2020 by Fox92

[manders86]

On Thursday nights under the lights,  we'll be in Ukraine, we'll be in Norway! 

[Number 6]

Bit of a kick in the teeth for FFP as a whole concept to be honest. Looks like big club bias and when you view it in that light it's a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

 

Having said that at the start of the season if you wanted Champions League then top 4 is the aim, so if we do finish 5th, I don't think we can grumble about that being Europa.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

It gets worse - I've just seen on another forum, someone who supports another PL club saying we're just as guilty of abusing FFP as Man City.

 

I could be completely wrong but I remember something being made of our finances the season we were promoted. There was definitely a fine we had to pay, from memory.

It isn't just the mega-rich that get away with all sorts.

Edited 13 July 2020 by Miquel The Work Geordie

[Poznan34]

Hope this helps Man City get over their crippling inferiority complex