fuchsntf Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 6 hours ago, 5waller5 said: There is only one possible reason to not give it to Shakey and that's whether he can attract the top players we need to make the next step. I genuinely have no idea if he can or not and probably depends upon the individual anyway. That would go against the history of this Club. Why should he be expected to work more wonders, than Past managers...If you follow modern football, how many top managers even have a say on the signings?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 53 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: That would go against the history of this Club. Why should he be expected to work more wonders, than Past managers...If you follow modern football, how many top managers even have a say on the signings?? Most of them ... imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 20 hours ago, Stevosevic said: Percy seems to mix with Vardy's Mrs quite a bit. That's why he is more ITK than most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 4 hours ago, fuchsntf said: That would go against the history of this Club. Why should he be expected to work more wonders, than Past managers...If you follow modern football, how many top managers even have a say on the signings?? We clearly signed Sven to attract players, and CR was an obvious choice to attract senior players ... He wouldn't be expected to work wonders, just get in better players than we already have - can he? I don't know, but that must be int he minds of the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: We clearly signed Sven to attract players, and CR was an obvious choice to attract senior players ... He wouldn't be expected to work wonders, just get in better players than we already have - can he? I don't know, but that must be int he minds of the owners. Look what Sven did and look at some of the Ranieri signings. If the owners haven't learnt by now, they never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 25 April 2017 Share Posted 25 April 2017 5 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: We clearly signed Sven to attract players, and CR was an obvious choice to attract senior players ... He wouldn't be expected to work wonders, just get in better players than we already have - can he? I don't know, but that must be int he minds of the owners. We still have the PL and CL stories , Fresh and just behind us...We will never attract the real top players, but hope for little gems not yet On the radar. Like all teams from 14th to 7th, its a matter of pick n mix, and see if good reports and players PL potential can be Realised and be brought to a usefull level of fruitation. Looking to improve is a nice round statement that is expected through all Sports. Reality is somewhat different, preferences doesnt guarrantee anything. How much are we willing to put on the table, are English players and agents asking too much. Should we now be somewhat Cautious with Would be AFCON players. Why not look at the european players, brexit is still a few seasons away. I like Slimani, but 30mil, was still too much, and so is it for the Mborough defender. Even under MON, we looked for honest proffesionals, we Just widen that scope Wwide or just Europe league wise. Present names, and big mouth agents, cant be our path. That said there are positions that need stepping up and should be addressed and priotorised.The other problem is Ranieris tenure this season, has lost my trust , that the "CLUB" failed to see its needs. Then again , like always it could be some Unmentioned players just didnt want to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seenitall Posted 26 April 2017 Share Posted 26 April 2017 On 23/04/2017 at 20:26, The Doctor said: You're just a massive tool aren't you? 1 point from 6 isn't good on the face of it, but given there's not really anything to play for, and they were two away games against form teams days before some of the biggest games in our history, that can be excused. Well you can throw an insult in there but maybe we should look at the table tomorrow - I think this is a crunch game for Shakey - lose or worse get thumped tonight and where does that rank him on the tactical geniusometer - win and we can maybe start to believe......but it's always been tricky to proffer an alternative view to the sheep on FT- didn't have you down as one of them but life is full of surprises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Ok, I'm going to be really controversial... With a heavy heart, I think he has to go. We're at a crossroads and need a fresh start. No point hanging on to the past. There. I said it. And you're all about to hammer me for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 16 minutes ago, tom27111 said: Ok, I'm going to be really controversial... With a heavy heart, I think he has to go. We're at a crossroads and need a fresh start. No point hanging on to the past. There. I said it. And you're all about to hammer me for it. I don't know if you're right, but what you say has crossed my mind too and it might be the Truth, though I feel reluctant about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateWinner Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Last nights performance reminded me of ones we saw under Ranieri Ranieri - the title winning manager who has been managing since the 1980s. So y'know, even the experienced can balls things up... Shakespeare has been spot on tactically up until this game, every manager makes mistakes, at least Shakespeare has shown in his short time that he can be proactive and realise when things don't work. Hopefully he will realise that he was too negative and change that next game. He's still got my vote for the job at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 A lot of people are being very negative about last night's game. We were playing Arsenal away from home and lost due to a very unfortunate own goal. Granted, we could have been a bit more positive, but had we held on for a few more minutes and got a draw, would anyone have complained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 On 26/04/2017 at 08:06, seenitall said: Well you can throw an insult in there but maybe we should look at the table tomorrow - I think this is a crunch game for Shakey - lose or worse get thumped tonight and where does that rank him on the tactical geniusometer - win and we can maybe start to believe......but it's always been tricky to proffer an alternative view to the sheep on FT- didn't have you down as one of them but life is full of surprises Arsenal away was always going to be difficult and I said beforehand that a point was the most we could sensibly hope for in the circumstances - that point being lost in the closing minutes through an own goal from a hopeful shot that was going well wide and with our defence looking untroubled. I'd never pencilled in last night's game as a points winner - nor West Brom but I do believe we'll save our status against either Watford or Bounemouth and I'd have taken that outcome along with our Champions League performances any time from the potential season-saving decision to appoint Shakespeare because I don't believe there was any chance of a turnaround had our owners not taken that decision. There was never any chance of Shakespeare or anyone else suddenly righting all our problems in terms of injuries, mental/physical fatigue or match sharpness. But what's been done so far has been outstanding - including our stubborn efforts in fighting for a point at the Emirates. Four more minutes and that effort would have been lauded. We're not looking for or needing a revolution at Leicester but informed evolution and I'd doubt anyone at or close to the club could be better informed than our current manager. The last thing we need is a "fresh" start. You don't put brilliant teams together in the space of a close season but we have a perfectly acceptable foundation already - and some within a group of players who've already been successful in various situations. What we need is to build on that. Ranieri should have started the job but made a complete mess of it. Shakespeare's showed no signs of doing the same and if he gets us through to the 41/42 points I believe we'll finish on, that will be a first important achievement of his managerial career. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 I feel i watched a different game last.. I didn't feel we were too bad, yes we sat deeper and were wasteful with passes on the counter But we had the better of the chances, cech pulled off a couple of class saves and we didn't seem too phased by the arsenal attack Shakey was a bit late with subs but minus that we were very unlucky not to come away with a point at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonFox Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 6 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: A lot of people are being very negative about last night's game. We were playing Arsenal away from home and lost due to a very unfortunate own goal. Granted, we could have been a bit more positive, but had we held on for a few more minutes and got a draw, would anyone have complained? Agree with this. As much as we didn't look good going forward (apart from a couple of glimpses), we also didn't really look like conceding and it took a freak deflection for them to score. Last night was one of those games that no one really deserved to lose and it very much mirrored the game at the KP earlier in the season. I would have snapped your hand off for a 0-0 at the Emirates. That being said, we need to get back on the front foot on Saturday, and play our high intensity game. It looked like we were the team that just played 120 mins at the weekend yesterday, not Arsenal. Shows their quality though. We need to get back to the changes Shakey made at the start of his tenure. Pace, presssing and dynamism. I'm sure he sees that and will make some changes (tactical at minimum, personnel at maximum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 My reaction isn't to last night's game, been feeling it a while. So if Shakespeare does get it, then eventually leaves, do we give it to Stowell? When would it stop? Let's sound out a decent manager and get him in. The players like Shakes? Tough shit, they're players. Not owners. If they want to go, then f**k off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Since when has a 'top player big signing' worked out for us anyway???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 44 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: I feel i watched a different game last.. I didn't feel we were too bad, yes we sat deeper and were wasteful with passes on the counter But we had the better of the chances, cech pulled off a couple of class saves and we didn't seem too phased by the arsenal attack Shakey was a bit late with subs but minus that we were very unlucky not to come away with a point at least one ? was the best chance of the game, scrappy as it was in its creation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Just now, Dickov22 said: Since when has a 'top player big signing' worked out for us anyway???? Esteban Cambiasso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty98 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 So 1 or 2 games out of 11 you could argue he got tactically wrong, pretty good record if you ask me. Don't think he's the sort of bloke that's set in his ways either so I think he'll learn from his mistakes and get better. Still fully want him to get the job full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Shakey seems very reluctant to make subs unless his hand his forced by going down. Only a short period of time so it's hard to tell either way. That's one thing that's struck me so far though. If last night and Atletico are how he plans to play games away from home against teams with a decent reputation then he's not going to pick up many points or even score many goals against a fair few teams. Still very early in his managerial career so it's hard to tell if it'll be a trait of his, personally I hate negative tactics, so I hope these are just him finding his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Won't happen, but I'd love to see the Magic Man back in some role. Perhaps assistant manager or specialist coach of some sort. Presumably he's worked well with Shakey before (great escape), and if there's any truth to the rumour that he played a significant role in developing the tactics during that last run of matches it would be great to have his input next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 Think some of you lot are confusing Arsenal with Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-man Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Think some of you lot are confusing Arsenal with Sunderland. I think this is the reason I have read some of the finest dumbfvckery in years over the past 18 hours or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 I like his early work but Timon Of Athens was $hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 27 April 2017 Share Posted 27 April 2017 1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said: Esteban Cambiasso. Touché. Not signed by a big name manager though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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