elvisfmcfly Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said: Another day and another lesson for Puel. Which he won’t learn from! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 Quick questions: Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing a Cup game? Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing games in the Premier League? If you want to keep your Premier League Job, which would you prioritise? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 Just now, Phube said: Quick questions: Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing a Cup game? Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing games in the Premier League? If you want to keep your Premier League Job, which would you prioritise? Ranieri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 41 minutes ago, RumbleFox said: Puel is in the PROCESS of overhauling the squad. The squad is bloated, uneven and contains too many average players. Last window he solved our RB issue, added a quality young number 10 and bought two very young CBs who look to have the potential to succeed at this level. During this window and the summer I would imagine him to come close to finishing his overhaul. If by the start of next season we still have no decent striker other than Vardy, still have a bloated uneven squad and have not invested in a quality CM then by all means we can ask questions of Puel. The madness in sacking him now is that he was given a remit and he is only half way through it. He needs backing until he has finished. And anyone asking why he deserves patience needs to look at the league. We are currently on course for the 2nd highest Premier League finish in the history of our club. The 2nd highest ever. Is that all we should ever settle for? Of course not but is it a sackable offence? I can't see that it is? Today was a deeply depressing match and result but I'm not so fickle as to change my view of Puel over this one result. I can see where he is trying to take us. he may never make it, he may not be good enough but we cannot say with certainty anything yet other than "we are currently on course for our 2nd best Premier League Finish ever". X top 3...post of the season....!!! No need to read or post further..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaggertvsWise Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 1-0 Millwall... I suspect it wasn’t just because of Millwall though... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyshireFox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 Whenever he does go, be it sacked or resigning, be it one week, one month, one year or beyond, people will still bitch and moan. People will still write off signings before they’ve pulled on a shirt, people will still blame the replacement for a poor performance etc. The reality is the club are building for the long term with the training ground and the expansion, all of which costs money. I can’t see them forking our millions in payoffs when we are 7th in the league. Unless the league position falls off a cliff or the atmosphere becomes so poisonous, then we have got to ride out the highs and lows. Today he has not helped himself though, and that is down to him and the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 I don't really want him sacked yet. Hopefully we can add better quality to our squad, especially in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 8 minutes ago, foxinsox said: Ranieri? I think that was the impending relegation threat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 2 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: I don't really want him sacked yet. Hopefully we can add better quality to our squad, especially in the summer. You can but hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 No post match from him today. Possibly nothing but i'm sure the twitter team always try to get a comment, Wes gave it today. Not surprised mind he looked like he wanted to kill everyone on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 4 minutes ago, DerbyshireFox said: Whenever he does go, be it sacked or resigning, be it one week, one month, one year or beyond, people will still bitch and moan. People will still write off signings before they’ve pulled on a shirt, people will still blame the replacement for a poor performance etc. The reality is the club are building for the long term with the training ground and the expansion, all of which costs money. I can’t see them forking our millions in payoffs when we are 7th in the league. Unless the league position falls off a cliff or the atmosphere becomes so poisonous, then we have got to ride out the highs and lows. Today he has not helped himself though, and that is down to him and the players I think this is the reality and what is going through the owners minds. Especially until the end of the season at least. It does get frustrating for us as we see everything that made us who are over the last 6/7 years or so slowly change into something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 I am not his biggest fan (odd team selections and subs etc) but we might as well keep puel till the end of the season to see how we finish - if we drop from the 6/7 place race like we did last season (he did the same at Southampton as well) then he should move on. The other critical area to sort out is recruitment - I don’t know the exact stats but it feels like about 1 out of 8 purchases seem to make the grade. Not really good enough for a team wanting to challenge at the top half of the table and wastes time and money - poor scouting is really costing us. Not sure how much input puel has in our transfers in and out.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 6 January 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 6 January 2019 11 minutes ago, Phube said: Quick questions: Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing a Cup game? Has any Premier League manager been sacked for losing games in the Premier League? If you want to keep your Premier League Job, which would you prioritise? You get sacked for failing to meet your targets. Whatever they are. If our owners expected a cup run and he plays his reserves against Man City for no obvious reason and loses, then plays Matty James and Andy King in the FA Cup and loses then, yes, he should be worried for his job. It's almost like giving Top the middle finger and saying **** your objectives. It doesn't matter where we are in the league. But we don't know really know if that's the case. We don't know what Vichai set out as Puel's mandate for the season. I think one thing none of us can deny, whether we like Puel or not, is that the squad is ludicrously thin and you only have to scratch the surface to find absolute dross. I'd personally argue that, in fairness to Puel, I don't actually think he has a good starting 11, let alone squad. We don't have a single winger that inspires me with any confidence except our right back. So with such a lack of depth, do we believe Vichai (and now Top) would have expected us to win a cup competition and be top half? I'd personally be surprised really. Make no mistake, the buck stops with the manager and the board will be extremely unhappy with the undeniable embarrassment of this result. But I highly doubt success in this competition was a key part of how CP will be measured this year. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosse93 Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 9 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: I said the players were to blame primarily. Thats all i said You replied quite angrily about me having some sort of inconsistency regarding Puel. I dont. I always blame the players when we lose To then come out and make out i am weirdly going over the top over Puel is what you did. I dont know why that Poc part isnt relevant. Same team, same result bar a crazy handball Your exact words were "Can only blame the players for that". That is not 'primarily' blaming the players. That is discounting Puel of any blame, I've merely pointed out that both the players and manager are to blame. The Pochettino point isn't relevant as I never said Puel should be sacked, which is what you implied when making the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 16 minutes ago, foxinsox said: Ranieri? We were shite and losing games all over the gaff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 7 minutes ago, AjcW said: Not surprised mind he looked like he wanted to kill everyone on the pitch Not surprised. Imagine being under so much pressure at work and your staff making so many simple, critical mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 1 minute ago, Fosse93 said: Your exact words were "Can only blame the players for that". That is not 'primarily' blaming the players. That is discounting Puel of any blame, I've merely pointed out that both the players and manager are to blame. The Pochettino point isn't relevant as I never said Puel should be sacked, which is what you implied when making the point. In my opinion the players didnt play as well individually as they could have, didnt see them on it. Thats all I meant. Posting in a hot thread with Puel and sack in the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 4 minutes ago, Finnegan said: You get sacked for failing to meet your targets. Whatever they are. If our owners expected a cup run and he plays his reserves against Man City for no obvious reason and loses, then plays Matty James and Andy King in the FA Cup and loses then, yes, he should be worried for his job. It's almost like giving Top the middle finger and saying **** your objectives. It doesn't matter where we are in the league. But we don't know really know if that's the case. We don't know what Vichai set out as Puel's mandate for the season. I think one thing none of us can deny, whether we like Puel or not, is that the squad is ludicrously thin and you only have to scratch the surface to find absolute dross. I'd personally argue that, in fairness to Puel, I don't actually think he has a good starting 11, let alone squad. We don't have a single winger that inspires me with any confidence except our right back. So with such a lack of depth, do we believe Vichai (and now Top) would have expected us to win a cup competition and be top half? I'd personally be surprised really. Make no mistake, the buck stops with the manager and the board will be extremely unhappy with the undeniable embarrassment of this result. But I highly doubt success in this competition was a key part of how CP will be measured this year. You're alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 I'm not a 'Puel inner'. I'm a 'Give Puel a chancer', and still am. But even I'd admit he had a ****ter today. Doesn't make things easy for himself does he? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefox Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 We just set up in some game like we’re not arsed about winning and it’s pissing me off now, up and down like a yo-yo with Puel in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Boos Up Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 3 minutes ago, dannythefox said: We just set up in some game like we’re not arsed about winning and it’s pissing me off now, up and down like a yo-yo with Puel in charge. This is supporting Lestoh. You'll up next weekend, or snap your string. I'll be the same, always have been regardless of who is supposedly in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfox66 Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 Puel's selection today was nothing short of naivety or arrogance. It also proves the point that the signing/loan of two quality strikers before the end of this transfer window has to be a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post inckley fox Posted 6 January 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 6 January 2019 I don't understand the debate over team selection. The decision to start with Okazaki and James was questionable, and not to have Vardy on the bench equally so (Puel's post-match RL interview was slightly revealing in this respect), but the issue wasn't that side's capacity to beat a League Two side. It's also too easy to say 'Puel can't be blamed for having a lousy squad'. There were five of our PL winners out there, 55m+ worth of signings (and, if you include Maddison, 45m+ of players signed by Puel) and 7 internationals. It was a perfectly credible line-up, way superior in terms of quality, and should have served as proof that our squad has a lot going for it. Which, I maintain, it has. If we can afford to loan out 45-50m in signings, leave Barnes at Brom, Benkovic at Celtic, off-load players of the pedigree of Silva and Iborra, then I'd say our options are better than many other PL clubs'. And that side should have won. Players obviously take a big share of the blame for that, but it's impossible to avoid the fact that we struggle to beat sides of any level - home or away, with any combination of players - when the onus is on us having to find a way to break them down. I appreciate there were missed chances, that our strikers could have bagged 1 or 2 more - and yet we're arguing over whether Leicester did or didn't deserve to scrape a second or third goal against Newport. The bar has to be higher than that. And it's not as if we've been an attacking force in the league either. No matter who we play up front - Gray, Vardy, Okazaki, Iheanacho, Slimani before that - they struggle. Some games we miss chances, others we hardly make any, but either way we struggle for goals. Puel's time in English football suggests a manager whose answers to these problems don't always translate well to our domestic game, and I hope he looks seriously now at some of his fundamental ideas about breaking down more defensive-minded, workmanlike sides. If we don't have the personnel to build effectively and patiently from the back then, after this long in charge, it's time for a rethink. None of that means we should resort to route one, or fire him. We're in a difficult time, chairman-less, in transition, and yet we're 7th in the table after finishing 9th last year (from 14th when Puel took over). Maybe in a few weeks time the picture will be different, but for now we need to avoid rashness - and, crucially, learn from this. And great stuff by Newport. Yes, our players and staff let us down today, but they would have been a nightmare for a lot of good sides. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfosse Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 11 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: I'm not a 'Puel inner'. I'm a 'Give Puel a chancer', and still am. But even I'd admit he had a ****ter today. Doesn't make things easy for himself does he? Every word here is absolutely how I feel. Playing Shinji with Maddison on the bench after being rested v Everton, not having Vardy on the bench and bringing King on for James is hard to defend. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 6 January 2019 Share Posted 6 January 2019 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: who is running the first team? are you seriously telling me that puel decided it was right to replace James with king in that situation ?????? that looked pre arranged and puel didn’t have either the authority or guts to over rule it ..... very worrying ........... it wasn’t the right change given the circumstances........ I had no problem with any of Puel's substitutions today. James hadn't played in an age and bringing on King it was a like for like swap and King has a goal in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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