Nicolo Barella Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 6 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said: The difference is Gray is 24 years old in his 5th season in the EPL. Barnes is 22 in his second season in the EPL. Or, more damningly, Gray is in his 4th full PL season whilst Barnes is in his 1st full PL season - and close to cracking 15 G+A, whilst Gray is on just 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 6 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: He isn’t like. They are about level. Barnes had a bad one tonight. Then claimed two assists against Palace. Barnes is better, purely because he gets actual goals and assists more frequently than Gray. Other parts of his game are still raw but he at least knows where the goal is, and has better vision and better ability to execute that vision, regardless of Gray's last two assists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 6 hours ago, hejammy said: I'm not sure about this. Apart from the last game Barnes has been poor for a while whereas Gray has actually been quite good on a number of occasions. I think potential wise yes Barnes has abundance, but does he fulfil it? Who knows! You have to give credit where credit is due. Gray made a huge difference when he came on. Looked lively and created things. The stats say with Barnes and Gray have set up the same amount of goals post restart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejammy Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: The stats say with Barnes and Gray have set up the same amount of goals post restart That's a fair stat to use when Barnes has had way more minutes since restart? Shouldn't we look at assists per minute? Edited 8 July 2020 by hejammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrighty22 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 9 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: Gray was a breath of fresh air when he came on. Confidence in the ball, forward thinking great work rate and good skills. Really! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummieFOX Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Credit where it's due, it was a great cross for the ball. Doesn't change my opinion on him though, miles off being good enough as an impact sub if we're chasing top 6 let alone top 4. That was his 75th sub appearance or something like that and you can count on 1 hand how many times he's genuinely changed a game (for the better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slab Edd Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Liiiitle fun fact Gray has the same amount of assists as Maddison, in way less minutes so maybe let's cut him some slack Brendan worked wonders on Iheanacho and I can see him doing same for Gray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Gray as an impact player works, there's been a number of games this season where he has shown this (Burnley at home, Watford and Arsenal away) plus others, however he has also shown that almost every start this season in the league and cup he has been anonymous. Hopefully he can maintain his importance from the bench as we need every bit of help we can get in these last 4 games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Lovely assist. Just infuriating that he had about 7 opportunities to do the same and he went backwards, put it down the keepers throat or passed the ball out of play every other time. I swear he's on the wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 I'm not sure why Gray is getting the blame for JJ putting the ball out of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 He is what he is - a decent squad player. He's not a starter. Barnes is, and Barnes has missed some truly awful sitters this season (Chelsea at home for example). Keepbhim. Unless we get a £12-15m offer from the likes of Palace or Bournemouth (like Schlupp). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 6 hours ago, Nicolo Barella said: Barnes is better, purely because he gets actual goals and assists more frequently than Gray. Other parts of his game are still raw but he at least knows where the goal is, and has better vision and better ability to execute that vision, regardless of Gray's last two assists. There's is actually very little between them this season in this regard. Barnes' Goals and Assists per 90 minutes = 0.67 Gray's Goals and Assists per 90 minutes = 0.66 Both have been more productive than Perez (0.56 per 90) and Albrighton (0.35 per 90). 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Gray does get a lot of unwarranted stick, great assist yesterday he looks sharper as well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 Both Gray and Barnes looking more useful as impact players right now , the difference for me is that Barnes will become a top class player and Gray will not. Gray is a championship player and that is where he will get the most game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 3 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: There's is actually very little between them this season in this regard. Barnes' Goals and Assists per 90 minutes = 0.67 Gray's Goals and Assists per 90 minutes = 0.66 Both have been more productive than Perez (0.56 per 90) and Albrighton (0.35 per 90). Looks even better for Gray if you count that cross against burnley that brushed against Barnes's leg as a Gray assist, which i think it should as barnes didnt change the direction of the ball. Say what you want about gray as a starter but his ability to make a pass is leagues better than any of our other wingers, it's just his decision making that lets him down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 I think we just have to keep using him as an impact sub. He only ever looks good off the bench. Imporantly though he's played a part in turning both the Watford and Arsenal games in our favour, so respect for that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 26 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: I think we just have to keep using him as an impact sub. He only ever looks good off the bench. Imporantly though he's played a part in turning both the Watford and Arsenal games in our favour, so respect for that. that's coz the game is stretchered an the defenders are tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechey Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 31 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: I think we just have to keep using him as an impact sub. He only ever looks good off the bench. Imporantly though he's played a part in turning both the Watford and Arsenal games in our favour, so respect for that. I agree, although I was screaming for him to make some off-the-ball runs. So many times one of our players was carrying the ball and Gray was just waiting for a pass into his feet. I want to see him run in behind and into space. He really needs to add that to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 I've always likes Dimi's style of play but he when you watch him start games he always seems scared being further up the pitch iff everyone around him isnt there holding his hand. I think that's why he thrives as an impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 (edited) I said when he set up the goal that it may turn out to be worth his transfer fee alone. If we make the champions league by 1 point, I will forever see him as a good signing. Probably his most valuable contribution to this team and yet the majority of our fans still refuse to give him praise for it. Edited 8 July 2020 by Lambert09 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 The promising thing to see is that he's now playing passes into dangerous areas, he's using the quick feet more than before and is actually influencing games. Hopefully that continues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecity23 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 2 hours ago, Lambert09 said: I said when he set up the goal that it may turn out to be worth his transfer fee alone. If we make the champions league by 1 point, I will forever see him as a good signing. Probably his most valuable contribution to this team and yet the majority of our fans still refuse to give him praise for it. Didn't he cost us about 3.5 million pounds? No matter what anyones opinion of Gray's end product, surely we can all agree we've at least got our money's worth for such a low fee. We've probably spent more than that on clappers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 40 minutes ago, orangecity23 said: Didn't he cost us about 3.5 million pounds? No matter what anyones opinion of Gray's end product, surely we can all agree we've at least got our money's worth for such a low fee. We've probably spent more than that on clappers. okay well worth his and Ghezzals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecity23 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 2 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: okay well worth his and Ghezzals You get 3 or 4 Grays to the Ghezzal, thats not a bad conversion rate. Only a 10th of a Slimani too Christ, we've wasted some big cash on shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 8 July 2020 Share Posted 8 July 2020 25 minutes ago, orangecity23 said: You get 3 or 4 Grays to the Ghezzal, thats not a bad conversion rate. Only a 10th of a Slimani too Christ, we've wasted some big cash on shite. Not to mention 6 Musa's. Or as he's more commonly known Schlupp without ability 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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