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Starmer doesn't win either way - personally I think he's played it okay, it's whether he can get Corbyn back to play backbencher role rather than wanting the limelight for more. 

 

I have no shadow that Corbyn started off as an idealist who played a decent role in holding account on certain policies and decisions but his ego built and built as the idolisation surrounded him. 

 

You know does it come across better if Starmer defeats the hard left in a democratic, slow erosion rather than kicking them out to split votes/party?

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2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Starmer doesn't win either way - personally I think he's played it okay, it's whether he can get Corbyn back to play backbencher role rather than wanting the limelight for more. 

 

I have no shadow that Corbyn started off as an idealist who played a decent role in holding account on certain policies and decisions but his ego built and built as the idolisation surrounded him. 

 

You know does it come across better if Starmer defeats the hard left in a democratic, slow erosion rather than kicking them out to split votes/party?

We don't need to cut out further left-wing thought, that can only benefit the people and indeed the planet as a whole (we're running out of time to undo the disastrous impact of laissez-faire capitalism).   What we need to stamp out is prejudicial behaviour of the bigoted and extremist sorts without tarnishing left-wing politics by association.

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15 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

I think we already knew that winning power and changing the country was of little importance to the Corbynistas.

For them, it's all about sanctimoniously feeling good about themselves by parroting a wish list of every utopian policy they'd love in an ideal world - and uncritically hero-worshipping "a good man" :frusty:.

One of the finest sentences FT has probably ever seen. Nailed it. 

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6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think actually she is a decent person, however she is not what she was mentally, and should retire.  Without Corbyn she would be forgotten a long time ago.


Think you’ve got it right there Jon. Heart in the right place but some of the stuff she’s done/said over the last four years are a bit strange at best and downright embarrassing at worst. Being in the limelight hasn’t done her or Labour any favours. 

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4 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think actually she is a decent person, however she is not what she was mentally, and should retire.  Without Corbyn she would be forgotten a long time ago.

She is such an easy target and predictably attracts a lot of rancour. I always felt she was a prime example of someone promoted a fairly long distance beyond her ability, but so what - she's hardly unique in that. 

But when I saw some of the flack she was getting (online especially), I actually felt quite sickened by it. And while it's true that kind of abuse reflects much more on the deficiencies of the poster than anything else, it's still hard to stomach. 

She at least adds to the gaiety of the nation, and as such I'm all for her.

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What will happen as a result of this then?

 

Patel found to have broken ministerial code, evidence Patel was bullying...

 

Reprimanded and heavily warned I guess.

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A draft report concluded in the summer that Home Secretary Priti Patel had broken rules on ministers' behaviour, sources familiar with the contents say.

The Cabinet Office began an inquiry into her conduct after Sir Philip Rutnam, the most senior Home Office official, resigned in February.

Sir Philip - who is suing for unfair dismissal - alleged that staff felt Ms Patel "created fear" in the department.

Ms Patel has always strongly denied allegations of bullying.

The report, carried out by the government's independent adviser on standards, Sir Alex Allan, has not been published.

But one source said it had concluded that the "home secretary had not met the requirements of the ministerial code to treat civil servants with consideration and respect".

They added that the investigation had found evidence of bullying, even if it had not been intentional.

Another source who saw the report called it "unambiguous in stating that Priti Patel broke the ministerial code and that the prime minister buried it".

A spokesman for the home secretary said she had always denied the allegations and that there had never been any formal complaints made against her.

A different government source has suggested that the report also paints an unflattering picture of how she was sometimes treated.

The report is understood to have looked at Ms Patel's behaviour at three different government departments - the Home Office, Work and Pensions and International Development.

The evidence gathering was completed several months ago, but Downing Street has delayed giving a verdict.

The prime minister is the ultimate arbiter of the ministerial code, and there is no requirement on the government to publish Sir Alex's report.

The BBC understands there have been conversations in government this week about how to manage the situation, with suggestions that Ms Patel may be given a reprimand, or be asked to apologise, but keep her job.

It is possible Boris Johnson's decision could be revealed as early as Friday.

Normally if a minister breaches the code they are expected to resign. But earlier this week former Cabinet Secretary Sir Mark Sedwill suggested there could be a "wider range of sanctions", telling MPs: "I don't think it should be binary between let off or sacked."

He confirmed then that the report was already "with" Mr Johnson.

Dave Penman, general secretary of the FDA senior civil servants' union, said "thousands" of civil servants would be asking what "message" it would send if the government suggested Ms Patel did not have to resign over a "little bit of bullying".

He described the system as not "fit for purpose", adding: "We need an independent process that's not relying upon a prime minister making a political judgement rather than judging based on the evidence."

A government spokesperson said: "The process is ongoing and the prime minister will make any decision on the matter public once the process has concluded."

 

 

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29 minutes ago, StanSP said:

What will happen as a result of this then?

 

Patel found to have broken ministerial code, evidence Patel was bullying...

 

Reprimanded and heavily warned I guess.

 

Been sacked as a minister before hasn't she? So has history of bad behaviour. I personally don't think she should be allowed to carry on in high ranking roles, as she's clearly not fit to hold the office.

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4 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

She reports to Johnson, who has been sacked as a minister before, a history of bad behaviour, and is clearly not fit to hold the office.

Good point

 

EDIT: Just checked, resigned as Foreign Secretary.

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5 hours ago, Stoopid said:

She is such an easy target and predictably attracts a lot of rancour. I always felt she was a prime example of someone promoted a fairly long distance beyond her ability, but so what - she's hardly unique in that. 

But when I saw some of the flack she was getting (online especially), I actually felt quite sickened by it. And while it's true that kind of abuse reflects much more on the deficiencies of the poster than anything else, it's still hard to stomach. 

She at least adds to the gaiety of the nation, and as such I'm all for her.

Well said.

 

I have never been an Abbott supporter but the vitriol she has faced - often dodgy internet memes - has been appalling.

 

A woman ..... and black to boot.  What is there not to ****

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