Coronavirus Thread

[ealingfox]

Unpopular opinion - public compliance has actually been very good overall throughout this episode and between that and the incredible work of the NHS the government has been helped out massively.

 

Even if you see a picture of 10,000 people deliberately and emphatically flouting the rules, that is what, 0.01% of the population? Some people would do well to remember that.

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

I agree that until there is a treatment or vaccine we should continue to work from home and any indoor events or anything involving stadia shouldn't go ahead. That should be enough to avoid it growing to something that puts the NHS under pressure it can't handle again.

I just find it amazing that people genuinely think they are in any more danger now than they were before the virus. Especially those below the age of 60. But even those older than that should count themselves incredibly unlucky to die from it, just as you'd count yourself unlucky for being diagnosed with cancer.

All I'm trying to say is life goes on. There will be government restrictions in place to stop the virus ravaging the NHS again. Outside of that, people should try to enjoy their lives again rather than living in fear.

its also possible fear can trigger something in the body that accelerates someones condition, with the daily briefings on bbc im sure a lot of older folk would be at risk of this happening, and with their reporting of deaths by covid not people dying with covid is dodgy as hell, there is something bigger going on behind the scenes imo.

[Nod.E]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

its also possible fear can trigger something in the body that accelerates someones condition, with the daily briefings on bbc im sure a lot of older folk would be at risk of this happening, and with their reporting of deaths by covid not people dying with covid is dodgy as hell, there is something bigger going on behind the scenes imo.

Would tend to agree with this.

My Mum mentioned that she saw my Grandma recently and she was totally and utterly fear stricken. Looked terrified and has lost over a stone in weight since this all began.

[Stevosevic]

1 hour ago, Crinklyfox said:

China, Japan, South Korea and the USA spring to mind (though the USA could be considered to only have one spike, just one that became a lot worse after loosening restrictions).  These may not be as bad as the initial spike but show that the virus is still around.  I hope that we don't get a UK second spike but I feel that this depends on our behaviours rather than being something we expect not to happen.

USA lockdown never really got the numbers down in fairness and it wasn't long at all. Compared to other countries they didn't really have a lockdown...

[Costock_Fox]

24 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

USA lockdown never really got the numbers down in fairness and it wasn't long at all. Compared to other countries they didn't really have a lockdown...

That’s true, they just dosed up on bleach and shoved a lamp up their arses thinking it would be fine.

[UniFox21]

Love my boss, shared concerns to her and her manager on travelling into work and having to wait around in New Street, she said she'd endeavour to avoid having me in first due to that and if trains are shitty initially.

 

Guess who is on the first shift in 

 

Edited 29 June 2020 by UniFox21

[Trumpet]

3 hours ago, Crinklyfox said:

China, Japan, South Korea and the USA spring to mind (though the USA could be considered to only have one spike, just one that became a lot worse after loosening restrictions).  These may not be as bad as the initial spike but show that the virus is still around.  I hope that we don't get a UK second spike but I feel that this depends on our behaviours rather than being something we expect not to happen.

Well I wouldn’t trust China’s numbers at all, for obvious reasons. The USA has by all accounts been a shit show from the start, which is to be expected when the guy at the top advises on ingesting bleach.

 

Japan and South Korea - I’m not too sure whether they can really be regarded as second waves given that the virus would not have been completely removed from those countries. To remove this virus from circulation would be near on impossible without a vaccine. Even if for arguments sake they are regarded as second waves, i think the term “second wave” has really been played up in the media to instil fear.
 

Mind you I’m just one of millions of internet epidemiologists! 
 

I’m of the opinion that large events such as Cheltenham had to have caused our initial wave (or rather, explosion) and providing we don’t allow such events to go ahead whilst this is ongoing then maintaining the current levels of transmission should be realistic. The real difficulty will be in the cold and flu season when it could be difficult to distinguish between those and Covid, however with good testing and the buy in that if you have any symptoms associated with Covid that you should isolate and get tested.

Edited 29 June 2020 by Wet Trump

[reynard]

6 hours ago, Wet Trump said:

Which countries have experienced a second wave after loosening measures? I’ve had a look at Germany, Italy and Spain and their daily cases have largely remained low, apart from the obvious local outbreaks in German factories.

Iran

[Countryfox]

Mrs CF insisted on putting the news on at 6 ...   the BBC news ...   absolutely winds me up so I’m going to vent my spleen on here !!
 

Leicester might have to go back into lockdown.     First up is that prat Soulsby ...  if lockdown hasn’t worked so far why extend it !!! ..   the government are totally at fault he chirped ....  well Pete mi old mate ...  it has worked ..  but not in Leicester ! ...   and most likely cus people haven’t followed the rules ...   just like you haven’t you gormless tw@t !!     Second up a ‘local resident’ who apparently wants to comment on the ‘multi generation problem’ ...  but then comes out with a ‘language problem’ and the lack of fookin housing !!!   ...  no houses in Leicester but ok everywhere else  ?!?! ...   give me fookin strength !!!   For what it’s worth ...   I spoke to a good mate of mine who lives in one of the affected areas  ...  known him a long time and respect his opinion ...   asked him if there was any religious issues to this as he is Muslim ...   maybe a bit he said but it’s mainly due to a lot of local businesses (mainly hosiery) that have stayed open and ignored the lockdown rules  ....   oh ...  and claimed they had furloughed staff ...         Bloody rubbish I said ...   never !!!

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

For what it’s worth ...   I spoke to a good mate of mine who lives in one of the affected areas  ...  known him a long time and respect his opinion ...   asked him if there was any religious issues to this as he is Muslim ...   maybe a bit he said but it’s mainly due to a lot of local businesses (mainly hosiery) that have stayed open and ignored the lockdown rules  ....  

 

That's interesting, CF - and sounds credible.

 

They've said that the spike in infections is mainly among people of South Asian origin in particular areas of East Leicester (no info re. religion) - but mainly people of working age, not older people.

C4 News also said there has been no increase in hospitalisations or deaths....which there surely would have been if there was an increase in infections among the elderly.

 

I know particular outbreaks had already been identified at a sandwich factory and at a Sainsbury's, but your mate's suggestion also makes sense in the context of the stated facts re. infections.

- If it were due to social mixing of extended families during Eid, as some are suggesting.... (a) there'd be more infections, hospitalisations & deaths among elderly Muslims; (b) there'd also be spikes in areas with an even bigger Muslim population (East London, Bradford, Oldham, Luton etc.)

- If language problems were a major issue (as someone also suggested on C4 News), again surely the infection rate would be higher among the elderly, not younger generations who are more likely to be English-born or speak English?

 

The info actually suggests that the infection has not been spreading in family groups - that the message is getting through and older people are being protected.

It might be spreading among young groups socialising - but, as it is clear that the virus spreads much more indoors, infection in cramped workplaces is a logical explanation. 

The lack of a spike, so far, from other known outdoor mixing (crowded beaches, BLM protests, white youth etc.) also supports this, as does the spike in other crowded indoor workplaces like meat processing plants. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

23 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

35K new cases in the US today 

37K today 

[zorro en españa]

9 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

37K today 

Sol - that 37k will rise as some counties in some states will not yet have reported.

 

It actually ended up 40.5k yesterday and 43.5k the day before (source - worldometers.info)

 

Absolutely staggering numbers.  Thankfully deaths are being kept to levels under a thousand (hardly anything to cheer about, I know)

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, zorro en españa said:

Sol - that 37k will rise as some counties in some states will not yet have reported.

 

It actually ended up 40.5k yesterday and 43.5k the day before (source - worldometers.info)

 

Absolutely staggering numbers.  Thankfully deaths are being kept to levels under a thousand (hardly anything to cheer about, I know)

Yeah, I check it just before I go to bed but as you say some states are yet to declare. Going to be terrible in a week's time or so.

[urban.spaceman]

Goddammit bacon I trusted you.

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah, I check it just before I go to bed but as you say some states are yet to declare. Going to be terrible in a week's time or so.

Ended up at 43k

 

if the majority of cases are in younger people then the demand on hospital resources will not be a massive issue - if these younger people have spread it around to their families then it will .....I heard a report yesterday referencing that it’s probably not an issue because deaths are steady/dropping slowly .......are people still so ignorant about time lag on this disease (and the fact that hospital treatments have improved a little since April/early may)

Edited 30 June 2020 by st albans fox

[Jon the Hat]

The weekly deaths total is below the 5 year average for this time of year.  Only just but this is significant.  I am expecting a lot lower weekly deaths in the second half of the year, coming back to a pretty normal level for the year overall, certainly not far off a year with a bad flu season.  Essentially a lot of the deaths in care homes would have happened anyway in the next 12 months, COVID accelerate them. 

 

I'm not belittling the sad situation in care homes at all here - I can't think of anything worse than dying alone in lockdown away from family.  Purley a prediction on the stats.

[Nalis]

9 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Goddammit bacon I trusted you.

 

 

 

The location of this is shocking society considering it's such a squeaky clean jurisdiction...

[Zear0]

Had a test today at the Birstall Park and ride. Whilst a thoroughly unpleasant experience, it's very well organised and tests available immediately. 

[Countryfox]

3 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Had a test today at the Birstall Park and ride. Whilst a thoroughly unpleasant experience, it's very well organised and tests available immediately. 

 

Can you stay of this site until your test results come through please ...  best to be careful ..  

[foxile5]

3 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Had a test today at the Birstall Park and ride. Whilst a thoroughly unpleasant experience, it's very well organised and tests available immediately. 

How unpleasant talking

 

[Zear0]

7 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

How unpleasant talking

 

10 second swap at the back of throat which caused numerous bouts of gagging (puts paid to any exotic career) followed by 10 seconds up the nose which caused several sneezing fits. Don't take this test on a curiosity! 

 

[Sampson]

Tuesday last week UK figures - 921 cases, 280 deaths.

 

Today's UK figures - 698 figures, 155 deaths.

 

Tuesday figures tend to be the highest of the week due to including weekend lag ones. We're getting there.

[bovril]

cool

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/dr-anthony-fauci-says-new-virus-in-china-has-traits-of-2009-h1n1-and-1918-pandemic-flu.html

[foxile5]

3 hours ago, bovril said:

cool

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/dr-anthony-fauci-says-new-virus-in-china-has-traits-of-2009-h1n1-and-1918-pandemic-flu.html

About due some good news

[st albans fox]

Cases in the states seem to have flattened out for the time being .....is the next move further upwards or slowly down ?????