Blue ROI Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Watford look like they are in the managerial merry go round we were at in the 00s. More than likely at the Nigel Worthington stage. I'd say Pearson's time with us has made it diificult for the jobs he's had since (Leuven aside). He picked us up off the floor in the third tier and did it fairly rapidly. Having hit rock bottom gave him carte blanche to do things thats difficult at Derby or Watford who haven't got there. His miraculous long term work at Leicester doesnt lend itself to quick fix top flight chancers. If anything it was a club like Sunderland who fell to the third tier like ourselves that ought to have given him a go. I'd say he did well at Watford overall. They battered Liverpool in a way they hadn't suffered since 2017. Its looking like a personal dispute that he might have a lot to answer for. Who knows? If true he fell out with the players in the dressing room on Friday/ it could be the end of him sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 2 minutes ago, Blue ROI said: Watford look like they are in the managerial merry go round we were at in the 00s. More than likely at the Nigel Worthington stage. I'd say Pearson's time with us has made it diificult for the jobs he's had since (Leuven aside). He picked us up off the floor in the third tier and did it fairly rapidly. Having hit rock bottom gave him carte blanche to do things thats difficult at Derby or Watford who haven't got there. His miraculous long term work at Leicester doesnt lend itself to quick fix top flight chancers. If anything it was a club like Sunderland who fell to the third tier like ourselves that ought to have given him a go. I'd say he did well at Watford overall. They battered Liverpool in a way they hadn't suffered since 2017. Its looking like a personal dispute that he might have a lot to answer for. Who knows? If true he fell out with the players in the dressing room on Friday/ it could be the end of him sadly. I know he's a premier league manager but honesty think thats where he could end up next if premier league and championship owners regard him as a loose cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 16 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: By sounds of his temper as got the better of him again! honestly I felt since his time in Belgium he came back a different man but sadly no same Old Nige. Honestly his own worst enemy... he's a decent manager as we know when he get's down to business but it only takes one or two words from someone and he snaps. Best thing Nige is anger management, otherwise this could see him end up jail one day. ..I am sure he was having counseling and it was the reason for his new demeanor!!! Did not see this coming as he seemed in a good place and appeared to have found a way to remove any stress in his life by putting things into perspective. Nigel and Shakey are synonymous with this club and would not be surprised to see them at the club in some capacity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 50 minutes ago, Blue ROI said: He picked us up off the floor in the third tier and did it fairly rapidly. Having hit rock bottom gave him carte blanche to do things thats difficult at Derby or Watford who haven't got there. His miraculous long term work at Leicester doesnt lend itself to quick fix top flight chancers. If anything it was a club like Sunderland who fell to the third tier like ourselves that ought to have given him a go. Back to the same old place with Nigel. He’d be so good for (insert any of a number of clubs) … but … Good shout -- he would have fit Sunderland -- the fans as well as the needs of the club. He’d have brought them back to the PL under Ellis Short. But it’s obvious he can only work with owners who keep their hands off football operations, now too rarely the case (there as elsewhere). Watford was such a poor fit, we probably should have seen this coming. He’s got the hard yards all but gained … and boom! A rerun. At level of established PL clubs, the luxury of allowing a manager to pick players of the type he appreciates managing no longer exists. You’ve got to get motley millionaire talents -- including the guys outside the XI -- and keep them motivated and on the same page. The job requires emotional discipline, plus political skill to deal with the egotists in the executives’ and owners’ suites. Nobody can tell me Pearson is cut out for that. And that’s not disrespect, nor failure to recognize his outstanding accomplishments here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 I love Pearson as much as any LCFC fan. I'd be thrilled to see him back here. He needs to realise though that he can't be an Alex Ferguson figure in the clubs he manages at. It's not right but the manager of the first team is part of a chain of managers in most clubs. The influence he had here was a one off. The fact its ended this way in his last 3 jobs in the English league has to be a wake up call him for. A passionate manager but he's simply got to bite his tongue at certain times and go with the flow. I don't agree with it but its life. He has a lot to offer, he is an incredible leader, a great man manager and a decent coach. He needs to curb his confrontational side or never realise his potential as a manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 (edited) Couldn’t think of a worse manager in their scenario than Claude Puel Like throwing further petrol onto a flaming fire Edited 20 July 2020 by Cardiff_Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Couldn’t think of a worse manager in their scenario than Claude Puel Like throwing further petrol onto a flaming fire I cant think anyone might imagine claud can hack the pl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 13 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Couldn’t think of a worse manager in their scenario than Claude Puel Fixed it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Trouble is that these muti million/billionaires don't like to be told to **** off. Nige needs a club where the owners have their feet on the ground or where the owners have little to do with the running of the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balgair Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Bernie Taupin must be running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 I honestly doubt Nige kicked off, purely based on his behaviour in that job. That post match interview after west ham was the only time I've seen the prickly Nige we all know and love. I genuinely think hes tried to keep a clean image to help his reputation be where it should be. I think this job has saved his career, he'll get a solid champ job or another firefighter job next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 13 hours ago, KingsX said: (a) Javi (b) Quique [again] (c) the caretaker guy (d) Big Nige (e) the caretaker guy [again] @Super_horns, start us off with your vote. How many other clubs hand this one out every year ?! Well they all start ok - then go totally to pot! I think the players kind of give up when they don't like the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Couldn’t think of a worse manager in their scenario than Claude Puel Like throwing further petrol onto a flaming fire He's not a bad manager although his style of play isn't great. He clearly struggles with man-management which is a huge problem but if you looked at his seasons with us and Southampton, for a club like Watford you can sort of see why he'd appeal. I doubt he'll go there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 1 hour ago, Corky said: He's not a bad manager although his style of play isn't great. He clearly struggles with man-management which is a huge problem but if you looked at his seasons with us and Southampton, for a club like Watford you can sort of see why he'd appeal. I doubt he'll go there anyway. His style of football... ie the way he wants his teams to play isn't great you say. Footballers earn a fortune and to get the best out of them you need a good manager. Yet you say this isn't a strength of vlaud I would add that pizxing the fans off by talking rubbish whatever the performance is not good. It's a no from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: I would add that pizxing the fans off by talking rubbish whatever the performance is not good That would apply to almost every manager including our own, Managers tend to try to pick out the good bits and leave the bad bits for the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecity23 Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Deeney says the rumours are all bollocks https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53479186 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Reckon Pearson’s autobiography could be a page turner.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Corky said: He's not a bad manager although his style of play isn't great. He clearly struggles with man-management which is a huge problem but if you looked at his seasons with us and Southampton, for a club like Watford you can sort of see why he'd appeal. I doubt he'll go there anyway. I hate(d) it, I made that very clear, but what he was doing while he was here and in the time that's passed since he left i've realised most teams are going down the route and direction of that style so I don't really know the difference between his style and the way the games going, it's isn't great it really isn't but it seems most clubs want to play in that way for some bizarre reason. Edited 20 July 2020 by Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 I dont think this is a performance sacking. It reminds me of when we sacked Martin Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody2028 Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Really surprised by the amount of people on here who can’t imagine a manager lashing out at a player. If any manager in the league was going to do it, it would be Nige This obviously wasn’t a results based sacking at least I’d hope not. Would love to have been a fly on the wall in that dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 Deeney says nothing happened so would take his word for it, don't get the knives out for Nige brigade, considering what he did for us. Watford are a basket case club, they could and probably will have sacked him for a poor run of results. I sincerely hope they get relegated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foxinsocks Posted 20 July 2020 Share Posted 20 July 2020 2 hours ago, davieG said: That would apply to almost every manager including our own, Managers tend to try to pick out the good bits and leave the bad bits for the dressing room. Yes but puel gave the same speech come what may .... he took it to a new level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sionnach gorm Posted 21 July 2020 Share Posted 21 July 2020 I’m amazed at everyone’s opinion that Pearson is a good Prem manager. He’s a good championship manager, but is clearly overwhelmed and out of his element when he moves to the premier league. I think everyone lets their emotions cloud their judgement, because we owe him a debt for his work here at LCFC. Let the insults begin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 21 July 2020 Share Posted 21 July 2020 The Times just confirmed “Nigel Pearson is to be paid a £1 million bonus if Watford stay in the Premier League despite being dismissed as their head coach with two matches of the season left.” The Watford forum thread has been gold for both laughs and rumor-mongering. Piecing the alleged events at West Ham together from it, the Athletic, and Deeney’s interview, here’s a version that dovetails with what has escaped. Categorical denials of a physical altercation with Masina at HT, or lock-in at FT. Most likely Pearson just conducted a well-deserved reading of the riot act, which didn’t sit well with some. The Rubicon was crossed (at least per multiple sources) when he indulged in some sort of “take this job and shove it, and let me tell you where in anatomical detail” exchange with the club owner. Well within earshot of players and staff. Again, that is only speculation, and will likely remain so. Between the terse club statement, Deeney going online with denials, and the quick move to confirm Pearson’s bonus (by a club which declined to distribute player bonuses last year), it’s obvious Pozzo and Giraldi want these events quickly locked away from public view. So on the one hand, Nige scores his point letting the bozos know how and why they are bozos, leaves the job he wanted to leave in any case, and (hopefully) gets his million to do so. On the other, every potential employer will know enough about this to cement his rep as a loose cannon potentially aimed at themselves. There’s a time and place for home truths. Ignore that, and risk never sniffing a short list again. I’d say it’s time for his autobiography -- no ghost writer needed -- but he just got paid a million not to write it. Maybe a thinly disguised novel instead? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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