Dave Rennie sacked by BR

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, Merging Cultures said:

I said similar yesterday. I assume this was a club decision to remove Rennie (but have no idea obviously), and I hope that it is based on getting new skills and perspective in. I hope this is the case because we've been seen as a leader in physio (cryotherapy etc.), sports psychology, and data analytics over the last few years. We need a long-term plan, that includes trying new techniques and approaches. This means the backroom staff should be 'permanent' and not removed by influence of the managers. This gives them a chance to plan and set up the new systems. I would hope that this move is seen as positive within the club as I hope they either promote some of the young talent we have in the backroom, or bring in someone who has a pioneering approach.

 

Does anyone know if we replaced the sports psychologist? We need to, I feel the players confidence levels dropped when he was removed, and I don't see any evidence that it has improved.

and the stats analyst?

[Merging Cultures]

3 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

and the stats analyst?

Looking at the website, we seem to have a few of them. Which is great. 

 

Or did we let someone go?

[jeffschlupp]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

and the stats analyst?

Wouldn't worry about anything on the analysis side, Andy Blake has led that department since 2008 and still here. They've also moved to bring in Mladen Sormaz as head of analytics which is a big move forward into more data science than traditional performance analysis.

 

One of Blake's team, Pete Clark, went to work for the FA at the end of last season but I believe he was replaced in-house.

[Sharpe's Fox]

If we just end up bringing someone in from Celtic I won't be impressed. He could have miracle hands but it would just show Rodgers wants to get his mates through the door like with Congerton. He gets paid enough money to have to work with people who the club appoint.

[Gamble92]

I fell over outside the ground once and Rennie was on hand to put a plaster on my wound. 

 

Thanks for everything Dave.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Well we could theorise that could have been the major beginning to the suggested fallout between Brendan and Dave?

 

And if we want to take things further - naturally Brendan would have met with the board at the end of the season to evaluate things.

 

The topic of the seasons tail off in performance would no doubt have come up. If you're Brendan you would obviously point towards a number of injuries to key players being a major factor in that. Question is, did he extend that reasoning to suggesting Rennie was (in)directly responsible for those issues and that a change in this area was needed, essentially providing an ultimatum for the board? 

 

...you might be closer to the truth than you think!!!

Sounds like an option he would take.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

I fell over outside the ground once and Rennie was on hand to put a plaster on my wound. 

 

Thanks for everything Dave.

Matty James, is that you?

[norwichfox]

Just now, Babylon said:

Matty James, is that you?

no, but he was in Matty's pocket at the time....

[Chrysalis]

5 hours ago, Babylon said:

Pure speculation of course.... but when you’ve been somewhere for 20 years, you can feel too comfortable and start overstepping boundaries most wouldn’t. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if what some have said is true.

Maybe, but since I started some of the speculation, I feel I need to add it is "pure 100%" speculation, I have nothing to back it up, its just a theory. I dont want to get the site in trouble or disrespect the man himself.

 

The speculation came from the fact I agree it takes more than minor misconduct to sack someone who has worked for 20 years at a company.  It makes something crazy more likely, but by no means a certainty.

Edited 4 September 2020 by Chrysalis

[urban fox]

In the modern world of work I presume any dismissal of a long standing member of staff would have to have been scrutinised and approved by the  HR department. Employment law is a minefield and the consequences for wrongful dismissal can be significant. What a lot of people seem to forget is that the majority of staff at a football club beside the manager and players, who will be on fixed term contracts, are on standard contracts of employment. This means that, unlike managers etc.who can be removed from service simply by paying up the balance of their contract, others have the same safeguards and rights as any other employee in the uk. Just because we are used to seeing managers sacked (a more accurate description would be removed from service with full contractual compensation) this does not mean that a football club can dispense with other employees in the same way. To bring about instant dismissal the employee would have to have committed gross misconduct of some description, or have agreed to leave with a suitable offer of compensation.

[surrifox]

9 minutes ago, urban fox said:

In the modern world of work I presume any dismissal of a long standing member of staff would have to have been scrutinised and approved by the  HR department. Employment law is a minefield and the consequences for wrongful dismissal can be significant. What a lot of people seem to forget is that the majority of staff at a football club beside the manager and players, who will be on fixed term contracts, are on standard contracts of employment. This means that, unlike managers etc.who can be removed from service simply by paying up the balance of their contract, others have the same safeguards and rights as any other employee in the uk. Just because we are used to seeing managers sacked (a more accurate description would be removed from service with full contractual compensation) this does not mean that a football club can dispense with other employees in the same way. To bring about instant dismissal the employee would have to have committed gross misconduct of some description, or have agreed to leave with a suitable offer of compensation.

Well yes - what is your point ? 

[Foxhateram]

9 hours ago, Stevosevic said:

How do you know he was doing a fantastic job recently? Only people who know that are internal at the club.

 

at people who think Rodgers has the power to solely make this decision.

I never mentioned Rodgers. 

As mentioned in my post, he is highly renowned for his work, rated as one of the best in the business. 

[Poznan34]

18 hours ago, jeffschlupp said:

It's not Football Manager, you don't need to have someone with X job title to do Y thing.

 

Rudkin, Whelan and Neville are in charge of day to day football operations and structure, they make the appointments and staffing decisions at senior football level. There is absolutely no way that the club give a manager free reign to tear up the existing, extremely successful backroom team. I highly doubt Rennie has been sacked for performance as Nursey suggests, but even if so Rodgers is not going to say 'we'll get this bloke in I worked with at Celtic' and the club just accept it. Likewise when Macia left, the club conducted a full and appropriate search for alternatives while still considering the man put forward by the manager.

 

Rudkin and Whelan will be here long after Rodgers goes, it's their job to look after the long term well-being of all football departments. Yes, Rodgers has a say and if there's a falling out or concerns about performance then they will be spoken about, but it's certainly not his call.

So the club conducts a full search and decides that objectively the best man for the job is Congerton, off the back of a pretty miserable record at Celtic/Sunderland? Hmm 

[Guest Col city fan]

11 hours ago, Babylon said:

Pure speculation of course.... but when you’ve been somewhere for 20 years, you can feel too comfortable and start overstepping boundaries most wouldn’t. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if what some have said is true.

Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if that’s exactly what has happened

If you’ve got power, others will ‘overlook’ these ways. But Brendan doesn’t strike me as pandering to anybody particularly 

Edited 4 September 2020 by Col city fan

[urban fox]

6 hours ago, surrifox said:

Well yes - what is your point ? 

Just pointing out that it is not a simple case of the manager sacking a member of the staff as the media would have people believe.

Edited 4 September 2020 by urban fox

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, Poznan34 said:

So the club conducts a full search and decides that objectively the best man for the job is Congerton, off the back of a pretty miserable record at Celtic/Sunderland? Hmm 

Exactly. 

[jeffschlupp]

4 hours ago, Poznan34 said:

So the club conducts a full search and decides that objectively the best man for the job is Congerton, off the back of a pretty miserable record at Celtic/Sunderland? Hmm 

I'm not pretending it's an entirely objective decision, but certainly from what was said at the time the club looked at alternatives including a return for Walsh.

 

Head of recruitment is a slightly more manager-influenced role than a physiotherapist given the recruitment of players has a direct influence on football matters. We saw that with Walsh/Pearson and Macia/Ranieri.

[Dan]

On 03/09/2020 at 09:16, norwichfox said:

A sacking to deflect the blame for a p155 poor post December season? This doesn't sit well with me, I'm surprised he has control over medical staff.

This was my initial thought. Rennie's been here for years, yet by doing this it looks as if Rodgers is making a statement about our injuries crippling us. Doesn't sit well with me one bit and I feel like it's the kind of move that will come to bite him on the arse.

 

I can't give him the benefit of the doubt because he's got previous for throwing others under the bus to cover for his own errors. Iheanacho at Bournemouth a perfect example.

[Bourbon Fox]

On 03/09/2020 at 12:15, urban.spaceman said:

Wait till you find out what happened to Vicky Vixen. 

 

(I wouldn't google her if you're at work btw)

Crikey

[moore_94]

Makes a lot more sense why it happened

 

 

[Collymore]

Rennie is a doctor isnt he? 

[Hitesh]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Makes a lot more sense why it happened

 

 

Hmm, a smokescreen excuse. Why couldn't you have a full time doctor and DR? And not sure where COVID comes into it...

[UniFox21]

8 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Makes a lot more sense why it happened

 

 

Our club doctor is a full time GP at a practice not too far from me. 

[The People's Hero]

12 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Makes a lot more sense why it happened

 

 

That took them a while to think up

 

There will be NDAs and privacy clauses around the whole thing but yeah this is bullsh1t. 
 

I’d file this particular club ‘line’ alongside Elvis Hammond’s (ankle) ‘injury’. 

[volpeazzurro]

9 minutes ago, Hitesh said:

Hmm, a smokescreen excuse. Why couldn't you have a full time doctor and DR? And not sure where COVID comes into it...

Absolutely, I think it's technically a load of old bollocks.