England Vs France - Saturday 10th Dec - 19:00

[filbertway]

3 times in tournaments we've crashed out at the first challenge.

 

Unfair of them not to let us play another gash team before the semis at least

 

We're the ultimate flat track bullies under Southgate

[RumbleFox]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

I see what you’re saying. The commitment is there but its not full blooded. Its because of the type of squad Gareth has assembled, they are all lovely lads but when things get tough are any of them going to get tough with it? Fair play to yesterday they stuck to their guns and equalised but look at how the French players were taking nibbles every chance they got, we need our players to match that. If that bite is missing then you need a manager who’s going to be able to change the game tactically and with Southgate we don’t have that either. 

Yeah I feel the same. It’s all just a bit “nice”. Quite like Southgate, quite like most the players. But “quite like” isn’t good enough is it? I’d rather really love or really hate a few more of them. 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Dames said:

I see what you’re saying. The commitment is there but its not full blooded. Its because of the type of squad Gareth has assembled, they are all lovely lads but when things get tough are any of them going to get tough with it? Fair play to yesterday they stuck to their guns and equalised but look at how the French players were taking nibbles every chance they got, we need our players to match that. If that bite is missing then you need a manager who’s going to be able to change the game tactically and with Southgate we don’t have that either. 

The going was tough at half time. Saka got nibbled all game, kept working at it and then won a penalty. This team got themselves into a position on 70 minutes where they were on top after being 1-0 down. 
 

We micro analyse everything - barely mentioned that France’s winner had a major slice of luck 

[Vacamion]

13 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

Professional French-English (but not English-French) translator here.....

 

Context is important in translating. The context here is the image of Bellingham. So, Vacamion's translation is correct....or, translating more loosely: "He [Bellingham] is coming home".

Might have made some sense as a wind-up if they'd translated it into German and projected onto buildings in Dortmund instead of Paris, I suppose.....  

 

I'm afraid, in the context of the Bellingham image, "on rentre chez nous" would translate as "we [England] are going home". Accurate, as it turned out, but an unlikely angle from The Sun pre-match.... 

(Would normally be "nous rentrons chez nous" in formal, written French, I think, but you'd certainly hear "on rentre chez nous" in oral French)

 

Of course, there's the issue of WHAT is coming home? In the original Skinner/Baddiel/Lightning Seeds song, it wasn't the World Cup, it was football - coming home for Euro 96, with lyrics relating to welcome, tongue-in-check ownership of the game and hope against the odds....but not to premature triumph or the World Cup. The latter meaning has since been adopted tongue-in-cheek by fans - and maybe less tongue-in-cheek by jingoistic cultural pollutants like The Sun. 

 

"Il rentre chez nous" could've been used in the original sense - "football's coming home".....in the context of images of football and of England.....but only if The Sun thought the World Cup was going to be moved from Qatar to England at the last minute. Of course, they meant to say "the World Cup is coming home [to England]".........but the World Cup (La Coupe du Monde) is feminine......

 

So, "Elle rentre chez nous" might have made some sense......but not with the image of Bellingham, which would only have made sense if they wanted to suggest he was transsexual.

 

"Elle rentre chez nous" over a photoshopped image of the World Cup outside Buckingham Palace or Big Ben or being held by some British bobbies or beefeaters might've made some sense....

 

OK, back to singing practice....."Jules Rimet still gleaming, thirty sixty years of hurt...." 

 

I'd have used ça.  The Frenchies in the Reddits I've seen would have, as well.  

[Dames]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

The going was tough at half time. Saka got nibbled all game, kept working at it and then won a penalty. This team got themselves into a position on 70 minutes where they were on top after being 1-0 down. 
 

We micro analyse everything - barely mentioned that France’s winner had a major slice of luck 

We didn’t disrupt the French enough for my liking. There was plenty of cynical play from the French and it worked. Saka was great and him being subbed off killed all our rhythm but saying that we needed some of our other players to step up and start disrupting the French the same way they were us, that was the major difference and thats what ultimately won them the game. 

 

12 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Yeah I feel the same. It’s all just a bit “nice”. Quite like Southgate, quite like most the players. But “quite like” isn’t good enough is it? I’d rather really love or really hate a few more of them. 

We definitely need more bastards in the team but that goes against Southgates ethos. He’s a very decent bloke but he sets everything up to make it as easy as possible for himself. Nice bunch of lads who aren’t going to cause him headaches when he’s constantly selecting his out of form favourites or making very questionable in game decisions. 

[Alf Bentley]

31 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

I'd have used ça.  The Frenchies in the Reddits I've seen would have, as well.  

 

Yes, ça would work and would probably be better than elle - ça has a more oral/familiar register, which might be better in this context.

 

Native speakers of a language will normally have better knowledge/instincts for what is most appropriate in their language, which is why translating out of your native language is frowned on professionally, unless you've lived in another country for years and have become genuinely bilingual (not the case for me, which is why I translate Fr-En, but not En-Fr)......so take more notice of most Frenchies than of me in an En-Fr context! 

[Corky]

We're overlooking the real issue- The Sun is a national embarrassment. Properly small time publication.

[FoxesWalk]

 

[Raj]

One positive for both sets of players is the way they behaved after the game.

Stark contrast to the Dutch and Argies.

Respect to them all for that.

[Mike Oxlong]

One newspaper headline today describes the England Team as heroes 🤣

[Fox1norfolk]

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

The going was tough at half time. Saka got nibbled all game, kept working at it and then won a penalty. This team got themselves into a position on 70 minutes where they were on top after being 1-0 down. 
 

We micro analyse everything - barely mentioned that France’s winner had a major slice of luck 

Unfortunately our key tactics were buying penalties, lacked genuine creativity which Madders would have given

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

Yeah I feel the same. It’s all just a bit “nice”. Quite like Southgate, quite like most the players. But “quite like” isn’t good enough is it? I’d rather really love or really hate a few more of them. 

Because that's how the FA want it. We'll never get a bastard manager with a winning track record because that doesn't reflect the "brand" that the FA want to reflect football in this country.

 

Like the earlier post says we've got nice "role model" type lads but no serial winners aside from the Man City lads by vertue of just being in that setup.

[MattFox]

Ben White turning up in Dubai with Arsenal the day after England got knocked out is interesting.

[Leicesterpool]

Have no interest anymore in the tournament teams left I'm not exactly keen on. World Cup final day much rather be Christmas shopping than watch the big heads of Argentina take on France. 

Edited 11 December 2022 by Leicesterpool

[Vacamion]

 

You know there is press love-in with the manager when we go out of a competition and he hasn't been photoshopped into a vegetable.

 

 

[Leicesterpool]

Out of all the teams in qf we had the hardest draw. I'm pretty convinced we would have beaten anyone else.

[Jonezy]

Heads up guys.

 

I was so convinced it was England's turn. You looked the best team in the tournament, but fine margins brutally were against you facing probably the only team that could challenge you.

 

You didn't want to win this shit desert World Cup anyway. 😉

 

When I finally root for a team featuring Kane, he still manages to infuriate me...

[Leeds Fox]

18 hours ago, Sly said:

Henderson is criminally underrated as a leader. If he was Spanish, Brazilian etc, he’d be thought of so much more.  

I said the same the other day! 

[J. James]

1 hour ago, Leicesterpool said:

Out of all the teams in qf we had the hardest draw. I'm pretty convinced we would have beaten anyone else.

No we would have perhaps taken the others to penalties....and lost.

 

This is England and England ALWAYS bottle the important matches in competitions.

 

As long as l can remember people are convinced that "this time is different", it never is or will be as long as the FA appoint the manager, which is effectively forever.

 

I have hope that I'll see LCFC win the prem again but none that I'll see England win the FWC!

[Samilktray]

2 minutes ago, J. James said:

No we would have perhaps taken the others to penalties....and lost.

 

This is England and England ALWAYS bottle the important matches in competitions.

 

As long as l can remember people are convinced that "this time is different", it never is or will be as long as the FA appoint the manager, which is effectively forever.

 

I have hope that I'll see LCFC win the prem again but none that I'll see England win the FWC!

We’ve beaten teams on penalties and gone deep into the 2 previous tournaments so  we don’t always do that 

[Guest Col city fan]

4 hours ago, Raj said:

One positive for both sets of players is the way they behaved after the game.

Stark contrast to the Dutch and Argies.

Respect to them all for that.

Quintessentially English 

👍

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Quintessentially English 

👍

If I have to read quintessentially anymore times 😂

[StanSP]

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

Snowflake culture at its finest, nothing to see here!

[foxes_rule1978]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

This is disgraceful