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The "do they mean us?" thread

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Corky

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Even if you take out our title win, the likes of Ipswich being promoted and finishing 5th, Wimbledon with hardly any fans attending and no "home" ground finishing 6th, Burnley this season are all magnificent achievements.

 

Huddersfield have done very well to get promoted and survive but perspective is required.

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16 minutes ago, Corky said:

Even if you take out our title win, the likes of Ipswich being promoted and finishing 5th, Wimbledon with hardly any fans attending and no "home" ground finishing 6th, Burnley this season are all magnificent achievements.

 

Huddersfield have done very well to get promoted and survive but perspective is required.

For clubs out side the top six the football only started last year.

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5 hours ago, Sublime_Coatsworth said:

Unfortunately the BBC seems to be modelling its reporting now on click-bait 'Buzzfeed' type headlines. 

I unfollowed them so long ago for precisely this reason. It's not like they're driving ad revenue by getting clicks, either. The license fee pays for their content.

 

Just utterly embarrassing nonsense.

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5 hours ago, Lovejoy said:

The state of this. Pathetic question.

 

 

Ipswich finishing 5th in 00-01 was a better achievement (can't remember the exact year, someone will tell me).

 

Bradford City staying up in 1999-2000 on the last day was at least as good as that.

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5 hours ago, sylofox said:

Really? Do you want to check some facts. Other than the title season. It's our highest finish with the most points.

 

The table does not lie. Great escape most wanted Nige gone until the turn around. Title defence people wanted CR gone and most didn't want Shakey given it permanent.

 

When will this stop. But trying to make out this is our worst season is a total joke.

When did I say it was our worst season, so stop trying to put words in my mouth, I said this was the worst in terms of our quality of football on a consistent basis and was a basis for concern going into next season.

On the facts thing, considering you thought you'd be clever, under a certain manager we consistently finished in the top ten in the Prem under his tenure.

 

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5 hours ago, sylofox said:

Really? Do you want to check some facts. Other than the title season. It's our highest finish with the most points.

 

The table does not lie. Great escape most wanted Nige gone until the turn around. Title defence people wanted CR gone and most didn't want Shakey given it permanent.

 

When will this stop. But trying to make out this is our worst season is a total joke.

O’neill finished 8th on 55 points I’m also sure he had us gain more points than 47 every season he was here.

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1 hour ago, Tuna said:

Ipswich finishing 5th in 00-01 was a better achievement (can't remember the exact year, someone will tell me).

 

Bradford City staying up in 1999-2000 on the last day was at least as good as that.

Yes it was 2000/01, none other than George Burley of all people managed them to that feat. Marcus Stewart top scorer. 

 

I faintly remember Bradford beating Liverpool 1-0 on the last day of the season I think. We lost that day to Sheffield Wednesday, 3-0 I reckon. 

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50 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Huddersfield the greatest Premier league team ever! what an achievement... I mean we haven’t done anything like that before 

No we aren't crap enough to finish 17th. Even at our worst we finish mid table. 

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well, for starters, Vegas hasn't won the Stanley Cup (yet?) ... but a different perspective on beating the odds ...

 

 

Last summer, when it was time for bookmakers to release the odds on the upcoming NHL season, the expansion Vegas Golden Knights were an afterthought. According to the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook, they had the worst chance to win the Stanley Cup of any team in hockey, at 200-1.

 

Congratulations to you, then, if you put a few bucks on Vegas at the beginning of the season: All the Knights have done since is finish the regular season with the fifth most points in the NHL, then sprint through the Western Conference playoffs while losing just three games. That torrid run has landed them a spot in the Stanley Cup final — and opened up comparisons with other unlikely Cinderellas. For us, the one that immediately sprang to mind was Leicester City’s unlikely run to the English Premier League title in 2015-16, which also stunned pundits and bookmakers. But which was truly the more impressive feat?

 

The Golden Knights managed to nab some key pieces in the expansion draft — a former 40-goal scorer plus several former 25-goal scorers and a Stanley Cup-winning goalie who’d been drafted No. 1 overall and was once considered a cornerstone to one of the decade’s most successful franchises. Even then, instant success for Vegas looked unlikely: Since 1991, the average expansion team had only managed to collect 57 points in its inaugural NHL season. But Vegas ended up blowing away those expectations en route to the best expansion season in the history of North American pro sports.

 

Like the Golden Knights, Leicester faced long odds at the beginning of its championship-winning campaign. Infamously, the sportsbook Ladbrokes offered 5,000-1 odds against Leicester winning the EPL title. That number, which was bandied about constantly in the wake of the Foxes’ surprise championship, was probably a sham, set to entice people to place any bets on Leicester at all. The notion of any team having such long odds in a 20-team league is a bit absurd, even by the parity-hating standards of European soccer.

 

The “real” odds of Leicester’s victory were staggering enough, though. Leicester had to play near-perfect soccer for the final two and a half months of the 2014-15 season just to avoid relegation. According to our Soccer Power Index (SPI), Leicester City was the 12th-best team in England entering the 2015-16 Premier League season. Preseason odds for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons indicate that the 12th-best team in the league would have roughly 465-1 odds to win the Premier League. That may not be 5,000-1 long, but it’s quite long by North American standards.

 

Though there was an argument that Leicester City’s odds should have been even longer, the greater consensus is that bookmakers grossly underestimated the Foxes. (And the bookmakers have admitted as much.) After their championship, at the beginning of the 2016-17 season, Leicester City found itself as the 13th highest valued team in the Premier League according to TransferMarkt, a website that assesses the talent value of each club-soccer player and team. Sure, the league title was improbable — but it probably wasn’t 5,000-1 improbable. That’s why the 465-1 number above seems about right in retrospect.

 

(Here’s more evidence that Leicester City eventually settled into a tier befitting its true talent level: In the two seasons since winning the Premier League title, the Foxes have finished 12th and ninth, respectively. That might look disappointing when compared with their extraordinary 2015-16 season, but it also makes perfect sense when viewed through the lens of the team’s transfer-market value and other metrics.)

 

In the case of Vegas, the Golden Knights’ long odds were certainly influenced by the fact that they were an expansion team — conventional wisdom assumed it was inconceivable that an expansion team stocked with hockey men who’d never played together could win the Stanley Cup. But Vegas’s odds also fall short in comparison with Leicester’s because an improbable championship run is slightly easier in the NHL than the EPL. Hockey has a salary cap to promote balance; soccer teams spend money like it’s going out of style. Hockey’s standings have a wacky loser point to introduce needless confusion; soccer’s table is cold and uncompromising. Hockey’s playoffs are a crapshoot; soccer doesn’t even bother to have playoffs.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-the-vegas-golden-knights-run-as-amazing-as-leicester-citys/

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Remember that time we all got so upset Martin Allen was sacked? Remember also that time we thought a yellow shirt with the world's biggest neck hole was a good idea...?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx7XUGUFec

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2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Remember that time we all got so upset Martin Allen was sacked? Remember also that time we thought a yellow shirt with the world's biggest neck hole was a good idea...?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx7XUGUFec

 

The days when our chairman arrived for work at the stadium in a car, driven by himself! Mental.

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16 hours ago, KingsX said:

In the case of Vegas, the Golden Knights’ long odds were certainly influenced by the fact that they were an expansion team — conventional wisdom assumed it was inconceivable that an expansion team stocked with hockey men who’d never played together could win the Stanley Cup. But Vegas’s odds also fall short in comparison with Leicester’s because an improbable championship run is slightly easier in the NHL than the EPL. Hockey has a salary cap to promote balance; soccer teams spend money like it’s going out of style. Hockey’s standings have a wacky loser point to introduce needless confusion; soccer’s table is cold and uncompromising. Hockey’s playoffs are a crapshoot; soccer doesn’t even bother to have playoffs.

Interesting comparison, and the article reaches the right conclusion although is a but disingenous to the Golden Knights in getting there.

 

The fact is that expansion drafts in US sports have never been particularly fair to new teams and many have struggled for years. The NHL which along with most leagues has been striving for more parity between teams and with a rather sizable $500m expansion fee from the Golden Knights gave them a more favorable draft than any expansion team in history. This was then helped by GMs of other teams panicking and cutting side deals with the Knights with some lopsided trades, and some salary dumps for players that could still contribute. Despite this more generous draft most predictions were still for the Golden Knights to struggle - but they have had a phenomenal season. They have had career years from the majority of their roster, and some of the older players (particularly the goalie Marc Andre Fleury which is probably the most important player on the team) had just been written off by other teams whereas they clearly still had plenty to contribute. They started off on a hot streak (early schedule seemed to be weighted towards home games against lesser teams), and got confidence, and just kept going. They flirted with the best record in the league for a while but ended up 5th overall in the standings while winning their division. They have now won 3 rounds of playoffs - the first 2 were in their division against teams they finished ahead of, and now 1 round against Winnipeg who although were the stronger team on paper had never reached a conference final either, and they just simply outplayed them. (The loser point the article refers to is a bugbear for many people but actually has little impact in the standings, and the playoffs are not a crapshoot. they play best of 7, and upsets do happen, but the better team does win more often than not.)

 

However, what the article doesn't mention is the wider picture in the league. If you look at the last 20 years or so of the Premier League and who has finished in the top 4, it is the same 5-6 clubs year after year. You get the occasional Everton sneaking into 4th, but that is it. Teams from outside the elite don't finish in the top 4 and non "big teams" never do. It was pretty much unprecedented over the last 20 years for a club like Leicester to finish in the top 4. Let along win the damn thing. You look at the NHL in the last 20 years, and there are different teams getting to the Stanley Cup Final and winning the Cup every year. There is no elite handful of clubs. The playoff system also helps teams who come good at the right time. The LA Kings won the cup from the 8th seed in 2012 when they had a hot goalie and ran into form at the right time. A team coming from nowhere to make the Cup Final is far from unprecedented, so the odds of 200-1 for the outsiders reflect this, and it is just not in the same ballpark. And they have only just got to the final at this point not actually won it...

 

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3 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Remember that time we all got so upset Martin Allen was sacked? Remember also that time we thought a yellow shirt with the world's biggest neck hole was a good idea...?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx7XUGUFec

 

 

Just looked back that squad. What is interesting, apart from how unbelievably shit is it, is the size of the squad. We had so many players on our books. 

 

Some memorable names in this squad though.  

 

James Chambers

Patrick Kisnorbo

Bruno N'Gotti

Gareth McAuley 

Stephen Clemence

Iain Hume

Radoshin Kisheshev 

David Bell (on loan from Luton)

Jamie Clapham 

Matty Fryatt

DJ Campbell 

James Wesolowski

Jonny Hayes 

Alan Sheehan 

Richard Stearman 

Sergio Hellings  lol

Elvis Hammond  (ankle)

Harry Worley  (on loan from Chelsea)

Ben Alnwick  (on loan from Spurs)

Joe Mattock

Harry Hayles 

Levi Porter  (remember him?)

Matt Oakley 

Paul Henderson

Ricky Sappleton lol

Zsolt Laczko  (on loan from Olympiakos)

Gabor Bori (on loan from some Hungarian club)

Andy King

Steve Howard

Lee Hendrie  (on loan from Sheffield United)

Kelvin Etuhu  (on loan from Man City)

Ashley Chambers 

Rab Douglas 

Jimmy Casino Nielsen

Carl Cort

Mark de Vries 

Hossein Kaebi 

Martin Fulop  (on loan from Sunderland)

Louis Dodds 

Clive Clarke 

Darren Kenton 

Alan Maybury 

Collins John 

Marco Ferreira 

Eric Odhiambo

 

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3 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Just looked back that squad. What is interesting, apart from how unbelievably shit is it, is the size of the squad. We had so many players on our books. 

 

Some memorable names in this squad though.  

 

Harry Hayles 

 

 

Barry's younger, more prolific brother?

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2 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Just looked back that squad. What is interesting, apart from how unbelievably shit is it, is the size of the squad. We had so many players on our books. 

 

Some memorable names in this squad though.  

 

James Chambers

Patrick Kisnorbo

Bruno N'Gotti

Gareth McAuley 

Stephen Clemence

Iain Hume

Radoshin Kisheshev 

David Bell (on loan from Luton)

Jamie Clapham 

Matty Fryatt

DJ Campbell 

James Wesolowski

Jonny Hayes 

Alan Sheehan 

Richard Stearman 

Sergio Hellings  lol

Elvis Hammond  (ankle)

Harry Worley  (on loan from Chelsea)

Ben Alnwick  (on loan from Spurs)

Joe Mattock

Harry Hayles 

Levi Porter  (remember him?)

Matt Oakley 

Paul Henderson

Ricky Sappleton lol

Zsolt Laczko  (on loan from Olympiakos)

Gabor Bori (on loan from some Hungarian club)

Andy King

Steve Howard

Lee Hendrie  (on loan from Sheffield United)

Kelvin Etuhu  (on loan from Man City)

Ashley Chambers 

Ran Douglas 

Jimmy Casino Nielsen

Carl Cort

Mark de Vries 

Hossein Kaebi 

Martin Fulop  (on loan from Sunderland)

Louis Dodds 

Clive Clarke 

Darren Kenton 

Alan Maybury 

Collins John 

Marco Ferreira 

Eric Odhiambo

 

 

And that doesn't even include Adda Djeziri, I remember ADDA DJEZIRI SWOOPS IN

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