Vestergaard signs

[volpeazzurro]

40 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

I thought the same thing. Wasn’t massively happy with us getting Bertrand. But adding Vesty was a WTF moment. 

Who can resist a buy one get one free deal though.

[FoxesWalk]

7 hours ago, TrentFox said:

Didn’t really pay enough attention to Denmark’s tactics in the Euros, but I clearly remember thinking Vesty looked absolutely fine. Why is he suddenly looking so questionable? Are we just looking closer, now he’s in blue? I think Denmark played a 3 at the back? Seem to recall he played on the left of that? Alarmingly, with the injuries we have, he is as good an option as we have - therefore we need to find a shape that gives us that secure defensive platform on which to build. I don’t think playing Dan or anyone else is a better option - no matter how average he’s looked thus far 😞😞

Football is often all about playing to your strengths and covering your weaknesses. Our CBs don’t have enough protection. Our system isn’t working, if you’re going to let technical players dribble directly at Vestergaard he’s going to have a problem. We let them too often, Denmark don’t. 
 

At what he is good at I think he looks really decent, probably the best passer in the team bar Youri on his day. Wins most stuff in the air. He’s a big ball playing centre back, not sure what else people expected…

[hejammy]

20 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

He really is. Even if you just consider the style we play, which is a high line. A lot of the complaints about Vestergaard is his lack of pace and getting beaten too easily, that doesn't happen with Amartey as he's much quicker.

 

But Amartey is also better in 1 on 1 situation. Not saying he never gets beaten, but he's more likely to make the tackle than Vestergaard. And it's not like you're gaining anything in the air as despite his height, he awful in the air.

 

So yeah, Amartey might not be Evans or Forfana, but he a damn sight better than Vestergaard.

Yes Amartey is a better defender but he cannot make a forward pass. So it would be side to side for 60 mins

[Stuntman_Mike]

3 hours ago, Facecloth said:

He really is. Even if you just consider the style we play, which is a high line. A lot of the complaints about Vestergaard is his lack of pace and getting beaten too easily, that doesn't happen with Amartey as he's much quicker.

 

But Amartey is also better in 1 on 1 situation. Not saying he never gets beaten, but he's more likely to make the tackle than Vestergaard. And it's not like you're gaining anything in the air as despite his height, he awful in the air.

 

So yeah, Amartey might not be Evans or Forfana, but he a damn sight better than Vestergaard.

And the second tackle if needed.

 

Vestergaad gets turned AND is too slow to recover if he needed to and it leaves the whole backline in trouble as to whether to cover him or not. Atleast Amartey might make things awkward until Wilf or someone comes and helps tidy up if he wasn't to be as commanding as say Evans/ Huth/ Morgan type.

 

I can't remember a player looking this uncomfortable, he's just a complete liability. It's no wonder Cags was seen shouting at him a few times, he's trying to play himself into form and he's got that alongside him. 

 

Edited 4 October 2021 by Stuntman_Mike

[Jimothy]

3 hours ago, hejammy said:

Yes Amartey is a better defender but he cannot make a forward pass. So it would be side to side for 60 mins

First job is to stop conceding goals. Currently we need to score 3 to win a match and that's making life hard. So let's play a defender who can actually defend and doesn't run like he's pulling a bus and we might start to stop the rot at the back and give us a good base to start from.

[lifted*fox]

we tried to do this window about 50m too cheap and ended up with two duffers from Southampton in defence.

 

and it'll most likely cost us way more than 50m to undo / repair the damage. 

 

our recruitment has been pretty decent in recent years but we've had an absolute stinker here. 

[turtmcfly]

3 hours ago, hejammy said:

Yes Amartey is a better defender but he cannot make a forward pass. So it would be side to side for 60 mins

 

Think you're getting him mixed up with Soyuncu

[StanSP]

I don't think it helps that generally the team is in a little bit of a rut at the moment and tactically we're getting out-thought and out-fought. Then along with that the basics gets ignored. Same goes with Bertrand. 

Both have come in to the side and confidence has dipped due to results. Significantly dropping points from winning positions (Napoli, Palace, Norwich (nearly)) is a clear sign of confidence dropping. 

 

I'm pretty sure that when we go back to being a side that plays with joy and confidence they'll look better, like anything and any other team would experience. Maybe some players (including the newbies) need to take more initiative and going back to basics, common sense etc. 

[LCCFox96]

Kasper saying he feels reassured and secure playing behind Vestergaard is still the most baffling thing I've heard all season. I'm glad he feels like that because watching Vestergaard play nearly gives me a f**king hernia. 

 

 

[Finnegan]

5 hours ago, Facecloth said:

He really is. Even if you just consider the style we play, which is a high line. A lot of the complaints about Vestergaard is his lack of pace and getting beaten too easily, that doesn't happen with Amartey as he's much quicker.

 

But Amartey is also better in 1 on 1 situation. Not saying he never gets beaten, but he's more likely to make the tackle than Vestergaard. And it's not like you're gaining anything in the air as despite his height, he awful in the air.

 

So yeah, Amartey might not be Evans or Forfana, but he a damn sight better than Vestergaard.

 

He's better without the ball. Vestergaard has been woeful defensively so far. Don't get me wrong, I think a defender being able to defend is priority #1. 

 

But at the same time, Amartey is shocking with the ball while Vestergaard is our best defender with it (except maybe Baby Wes.) His range of passing is excellent and he's confident in himself to slot one through between the lines. 

 

If people want us to get over the issue of sideways passing around the back four and slowly get back to playing good football then I can understand why Vestergaard is getting picked above Amartey. Amartey and Soyuncu playing together right now is just a recipe for 5000 passes between CBs per game. 

 

Amartey might be better at reactive defending but his poor ability on the ball equally gets us in to plenty of bad scrapes anyway. And it was Amartey that fvcked up for Legia's goal. 

 

Ideally neither would even be at the club let alone starting games but given what's available to Rodgers, I do understand why Vestergaard is getting picked. 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 hours ago, Sly said:

Let’s face it, Amartey isn’t any better. 

Bollocks.

[beepee1984]

6 hours ago, Sly said:

Let’s face it, Amartey isn’t any better. 

Won 3 games this season with Amartey compared to 0 with Vestergaard.

 

 

[FoxinNotts]

If we’re going to play 4 at the back (which we should IF Ndidi is there to screen) then it’s all about partnerships not individuals. 
Vestergaard and Soyuncu isn’t working too well. Amartey and Soyuncu doesn’t work very well. 
For me the answer for the Premier League games should be Evans and Soyuncu. In the cups try Amartey and Vestergaard together.
However, now that Ndidi is set for a spell on the sidelines I’d imagine we’ll be going back to a back three. Imo our best back three, at the moment (assuming Evans can stay fit for the Premier League games going forward, after the int break) is Amartey-Soyuncu-Evans.

[Lambert09]

8 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

So let's field 3 dunderheads instead of two, that should work. Since when has adding more of a bad thing ever worked? 

I think it would have to be castagne tbh. 
 

Add in someone a little more reliable who can still contribute on the ball. 
 

There is logic behind it, it just gives you the security blanket for the moments our 2 cbs get skinned (a consistent theme) 

[fuchsntf]

6 hours ago, hejammy said:

Yes Amartey is a better defender but he cannot make a forward pass. So it would be side to side for 60 mins

Another Bit of nonsense...Amartey in his last 2 games, put more forward passes together, than both  Ndidi & Tielemans...

Too many Posters seem more interested in vying for the most sarcastic-posts....

Our Quality players, our considered decent players, all have been not just off form but also their performances have regularly been well below average..

So any support for a new team mate, in a already struggling Pack has been poor...

 

Look ..We are a Club being shouted about as Top 6 quality, achieving that Type of covetted recognition,that allows aspirations to be slowly realised...

Even with our Chronic- injuries & some recovering & nursing these comebacks, our Quality of our "First-Choice to Top fringe" players is being put into

Question....Vestergaard,Bertrand,Daka,Soumare,lookman including an underplayed Hamza,KDH,

cant be expected to come in and "carry"    this so called amazing-story. After a forced Mix-Pot selection of the First 8-10 games...

 

Rodgers choices on selection has been compromised, hes been trying a juggling Act consistently since last November...

A Backline decimated, 3 Key positions, Maddison/Tieleman/Ndidi Not covered by any equal nor nearly as good....Though Mendy actually was including Ndidi,

played the DM-role the best over this last year...Our new last seasons discoveries that took us again up that extra notch, with some Security we have seen class,

Massively hit by injuries....Barnes, Castagna, Fofana,Justin...

2 experienced players 18 months struggling to make  performances & selection....Ricardo & Evans. Add Vardy who had long periods out,that helped us

to discover Nacho.. The only Smiles left, are with Thomas/Vardy/Nacho/Castagna  with avg. -decent returns..

Under the same issues, Timing & who to bring in aint has easy as many fans will have, because other Mitigating circumstances.Plus just Read the posts,

Every "Sub" post Choice Contradicts who they prefer, and why & what they think...So no historonics over Rodgers-substitution-critic has a solid argument..

Rodgers hasn t whined, stayed IMO humble & calm, where others would be ,lets be honest shitting it...He has tried a couple of different permatations, &

with our poor start, Held a Short Term selection consistency, before deciding to tinker & try to change somthing...This last game, he had  the Defenders

releasing the ball quicker & with Nacho as another Release point...We are missing having our stars players, fit, and Finding any incling of decent form...

 

Of course he was to Face up to critic, I just believe its OTT & lacking Basis on situation...

Vestergaard is struggling, but he was Never going to be find of the century, or bring immediate calm to Our Major worries....

 

[RonnieTodger]

An absolutely mental signing. He put his foot in a couple of times, but beyond that, he was crap again. 

 

The Benkovic situation is a really weird one. Rodgers obviously thinks he's shit, despite them working well together at Celtic.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Lambert09 said:

I think it would have to be castagne tbh. 
 

Add in someone a little more reliable who can still contribute on the ball. 
 

There is logic behind it, it just gives you the security blanket for the moments our 2 cbs get skinned (a consistent theme) 

I really like Castagne but I'm afraid he's even worse as a centre half than the current alternatives. His stats were embarrassing last time he played there and they highlighted him in the TV studio. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

Let’s face it, Amartey isn’t any better. 

Amartey has probably been our best defender so far this season tbh

[ozvaldo]

I really don’t know why so many people are against Amartey. Yes, he’s no Evans or Fofana. But **** me, at least he can track back and tackle. (And I’d argue he’s better in the air than Vestergaard!) 

[foxfan92]

2 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

I really don’t know why so many people are against Amartey. Yes, he’s no Evans or Fofana. But **** me, at least he can track back and tackle. (And I’d argue he’s better in the air than Vestergaard!) 

He has a mistake a game in him but still think he's looked the more solid out of the him and Vestergaard this season. 

 

I think Soyuncu looks slightly more composed next to Vestergaard though, so maybe that's the reason why Rodgers is persisting with the partnership we've had the last few games.

[Daggers]

Is anyone genuinely surprised this pair appear to contribute nothing to the squad?

 

 

[tickler28]

8 hours ago, hejammy said:

Yes Amartey is a better defender but he cannot make a forward pass. So it would be side to side for 60 mins

He made more forward passes vs West Ham than any other defender

[Grebfromgrebland]

Would we be better off just playing with 10 men?

[Grebfromgrebland]

2 hours ago, LCCFox96 said:

Kasper saying he feels reassured and secure playing behind Vestergaard is still the most baffling thing I've heard all season. I'm glad he feels like that because watching Vestergaard play nearly gives me a f**king hernia. 

 

 

He didn't look very assured in the last 3 games.

 

He looked positively flustered against Palace, Burnley and Warsaw.

[Fox92]

20 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Edouard would’ve been a great signing for us. Shame that fell through.

Yeah, he seemed to be able to hold the ball up well.