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The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

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1 hour ago, 4everfox said:

Leaving Leicester for Man United is the equivalent of committing career suicide. I'm pretty sure Mahrez has never reached the level displayed in 15/16 since leaving us either. 

 

We're also on course to break the so called big 6 for the third time in six years. How many times do we need to embarrass these clubs before we are taken seriously? 

Why are more people not seeing this when this is exactly what happened to Maguire.

 

I think people forget that Maguire was a good player for us and there's a reason Man U paid £80m for him. He wasn't always crap - has become crap by playing in a crap team with a crap manager.

 

Anyone recommending anybody move to Man U at this point in time is a fool or a green-eyed agent.

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On 14/11/2020 at 22:59, Spudulike said:

Not much in the way of Health & Safety that day. Not sure we'd ever heard of it but it was a bit packed on that terrace. Remember not being able to get my arms above head height and hell of a crush when we scored. Had no idea who Joe Waters was. Oh yes for the youngster. 

 

Lost most of my money on the train on the way down having been introduced to Spoof. 

YEh met a group of young lads,who were ready to be taken in a game of Spoof...Winnings Paid for game Ticket & a Slap up meal afterwards...:bounce:

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3 hours ago, 4everfox said:

Leaving Leicester for Man United is the equivalent of committing career suicide. I'm pretty sure Mahrez has never reached the level displayed in 15/16 since leaving us either. 

 

We're also on course to break the so called big 6 for the third time in six years. How many times do we need to embarrass these clubs before we are taken seriously? 

Maguire's playing in the Champions league, he's a first choice for England and he doubled his wages. Similarly Mahrez has doubled his wages and he has league and cup medals to show for his move. I seriously doubt either of them think they've committed career suicide.

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1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Maguire's playing in the Champions league, he's a first choice for England and he doubled his wages. Similarly Mahrez has doubled his wages and he has league and cup medals to show for his move. I seriously doubt either of them think they've committed career suicide.

Absolutely . The unquantifiable component however is legacy and that matters when you’ve got all the money you can spend . Maguire has gone from being broadly admired as a worthy defender (with us ) to to the biggest waste of money in the history of the club ( to Man U supporters) , to a twat getting his collar felt in a foreign nightclub ( to the general public) and a laughable fraudulent white goods appliance ( to every other Prem Club supporter) 

That’s got to hurt 

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1 minute ago, surrifox said:

Absolutely . The unquantifiable component however is legacy and that matters when you’ve got all the money you can spend . Maguire has gone from being broadly admired as a worthy defender (with us ) to to the biggest waste of money in the history of the club ( to Man U supporters) , to a twat getting his collar felt in a foreign nightclub ( to the general public) and a laughable fraudulent white goods appliance ( to every other Prem Club supporter) 

That’s got to hurt 

I'm sure the extra £100k a week softens the blow.

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22 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Maguire's playing in the Champions league, he's a first choice for England and he doubled his wages. Similarly Mahrez has doubled his wages and he has league and cup medals to show for his move. I seriously doubt either of them think they've committed career suicide.

It's not about what the players think. The fact of the matter is that neither of those players have moved onto the "next level" in a footballing sense by leaving us. Maguire has regressed since leaving us and Mahrez may have doubled his wages, but his skills haven't progressed to the "next level".

 

Going back to my original point, I personally think Tielemans has a chance of becoming a world class player for us, he doesn't need to leave to reach the "next level".

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Maguire, Mahrez.... Tielemans ...

 

The best way to ensure that we keep these players is to demonstrate we can qualify for the Champions League or challenge to on a regular basis. We also have to win some silverware. We have to demonstrate that they don't need to move to be at the “next level”

 

That’s why it was so disappointing that we missed out on CL last season when so well placed. We all scoffed when players were linked to the likes of Man Utd or Arsenal last season, but ultimately the former finished above us and qualified for the Champions League and the latter won the FA Cup. 

 

Before them Kante left and won the league again. Mahrez left and won the league and other silverware and Drinkwater ....... is the exception to prove the rule.

 

Qualify for CL and/or win trophies = keeping your best players. But it’s bloody hard, which is why it rarely happens and when it does - you’ve got to do it again. 

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30 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

Love these photos of both stadiums close together. Can’t wait for another photo like this once the stadium expansion is done. :cool:

 

Still sad to see the filbert street outline mind you :(

Some of the replies are pretty funny, Chelsea, Anfield & Everton.

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2 hours ago, 4everfox said:

It's not about what the players think. The fact of the matter is that neither of those players have moved onto the "next level" in a footballing sense by leaving us. Maguire has regressed since leaving us and Mahrez may have doubled his wages, but his skills haven't progressed to the "next level".

 

Going back to my original point, I personally think Tielemans has a chance of becoming a world class player for us, he doesn't need to leave to reach the "next level".

They’ve moved onto the next level career wise - bigger clubs and way larger earnings .... it’s a job for these guys - vardy is very much the exception I’m afraid .....

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13 hours ago, st albans fox said:

They’ve moved onto the next level career wise - bigger clubs and way larger earnings .... it’s a job for these guys - vardy is very much the exception I’m afraid .....

I don't know, maybe Vardy was the smart one. If he'd gone to Arsenal he'd probably have been binned off by now and ended up at Burnley or Palace or in the championship. Nobody would risk big money on someone his age. I do think he has maximised his earnings by staying put.

 

Drinkwater had a big fat contract, but he won't get another. Mahrez is a funny one I'm still not sure he made the right decision. He'll probably end up at PSG and make a tidy sum but never really live up to his potential. Maguire could go either way, new manager will either bin him off or turn his fortunes round. Chilwell will do well for himself at Chelsea.

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https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os16118/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-v-leicester

 

One day there will be no caveats when talking about Brendan Rodgers.


No current British manager comes close to what Brendan Rodgers has achieved but why does he still polarise, and have so much to prove still? Liverpool v Leicester is not just a top of the table clash. Daniel Storey examines why the occasion is such a big one for the Foxes' boss.


A few minutes before Leicester City and Leeds United kicked off, Brendan Rodgers gave the customary pre-match interview to Sky Sports. You know the drill: Manager A says it will be a tough game but the boys are looking forward to the task, Manager B says that the mood in the camp is high and the players are focused on moving up the table. Speak exclusively in established cliches, offering a few words while offering next to nothing at all.

 

This time it was a little different; Rodgers had things to say. He spoke not in broad strokes but deliberate specifics.

 

“I think every other team presses but how they press is normally in a zone,” Rodgers began. “Leeds very much play man-to-man. They want to attack, and attack in numbers but at times that will leave them exposed. There will be space on the sides and centrally, and I'd say we've got the best counter attacking player in the league, in terms of Jamie Vardy. Not just because of his goals but also his timing of his runs. And Harvey Barnes of course, is super fast as well.”

 

Three minutes into the game, Leeds over-committed and left space in behind, just as Rodgers said they would. Vardy found room and surged forward, just as Rodgers said he would. “Super fast” Barnes got beyond Vardy, just as Rodgers said he would. Leicester took a lead they never surrendered.

 

That might strike as a little arrogant, looking down the lens and telling the world and your opponent your strategy before the contest has begun. But that’s surely a misdiagnosis here. Rodgers detailed his plan to beat Leeds United (and Marcelo Bielsa) because by documenting it before the event he was ensuring that he would take the credit for it. After the game, he sarcastically predicted that he must have got lucky because he was a British manager outfoxing the Great Bielsa. That doesn’t strike as arrogant, quite the opposite; it smacks of an inferiority complex.


On Rodgers’ record alone, there is no real debate. At the age of 38 he took Swansea City into the top flight for the first time in 30 years in his first full season having spent less than £1m on new players. Against all expectations, he implemented Swansea’s possession-based style successfully in the Premier League and consolidated them in midtable.

 

At Liverpool, Rodgers’ tenure eventually went sour thanks in part to some shambolic signings but he took them closer to their maiden Premier League title than anyone before him had managed. In Scotland, Rodgers won all seven domestic trophies available to him, gave Celtic the first Scottish Invincibles for 118 years and broke the record for the longest unbeaten domestic run in British football history. He has taken a Leicester team that were stagnant under Claude Puel and normalised a top-six challenge in less than two years.

 

But Rodgers’ career is not defined just by the raw numbers but the caveats that his critics ensure accompany them. ‘At Liverpool he simply benefitted from Luis Suarez’s form’; never mind that Suarez credits Rodgers for him becoming an elite striker and that he also got the best out of Daniel Sturridge. ‘At Celtic he was merely shooting fish in a small barrel’; never mind that he followed the semi-dismal Ronny Deila and embarked upon an historic run of domestic form. ‘Rodgers can produce a wonderful attack but cannot organise a defence’. That one was probably a fair cop until he joined Leicester. But Rodgers has sold a centre-back and left-back for £130m, been without his best right-back for long periods and yet Leicester have conceded five more goals than Liverpool during his tenure and far fewer than Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea.

 

The various strengths of those caveats matter less (it’s largely up to you whether you rate him or not) than their continued presence. Everything Rodgers does provokes a “Yeah, but…” from some. Rodgers is a coach who people feel obliged to put down. Amid some strong competition, he might just be the most divisive British manager of his generation.

 

Rodgers’ greatest crime is possessing a personality that invites ridicule. You get a sense that he is never more than a few sentences away from telling you why he is doing something and why he believes it to be the best way to do it. The performative gestures and motivational spiel - names in an envelope, “You can’t live for a second without hope”, the self-portrait hanging in his house - are not unreasonably perceived as twee. There is a well-documented interchangeability between his and David Brent’s famous quotes. This is a man who, when asked to name his greatest mentor, picked himself.

 

But here’s the thing: It works. Steven Gerrard labels Rodgers as the best man-manager he ever worked under. “If it was not for Brendan, then I know I would not be the same player that you see at Barcelona today,” says Suarez. Philippe Coutinho calls him “a truly great manager”. If they found some of Rodgers’ cod philosophy a little grating, it hardly affected their view of him or his ability to get the best out of them.

 

Speak to any Leicester player and they will talk at length about Rodgers’ human touch and obsessive match preparation. His philosophy is fairly simple (possession-based football, use of counter attack against teams who overcommit, aim to service the key attackers as much as possible), but it brings results.

 

No current British manager comes close.


Rodgers’ career post-Liverpool represents a continued fight for relevance, to rewrite that 2013/14 final act when everything he had envisioned evaporated in front of him. In that context, Leicester City might well have been intended as a bridge to his ultimate destination; only by managing a Big Six club can he mimic the circumstances he wishes to atone.

But perhaps Rodgers is better off outside that elite looking in, at a club that sits slightly outside the brightest spotlight under which he can sometimes tend to dwell a little too long. Maybe Leicester City is the home not the stepping stone.

 

There are two great ironies of Rodgers’ career. The first is that his desire to be recognised amongst the best in his field is the fuel for his success, but once he receives that praise the fuel inevitably runs out. That might offer a part-explanation for Liverpool’s demise from April 2014 onwards and Leicester’s own collapse last season.

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The second irony is that the tools Rodgers uses to such excellent effect - the extraordinary openness, the philosophical wonderings, the attention to detail, the slight swagger - are precisely what has stopped him from becoming overwhelmingly popular or universally respected. If that should not matter - Jose Mourinho and Jurgen Klopp might say that the only opinions that count are those of their players - you sense that, to Rodgers, it does. His CV speaks for itself and yet he continues to try and speak for it.

 

You suspect that returning to his former employers on Sunday is a big occasion for Brendan Rodgers. The smiles and fist bumps with familiar faces. The deep exhalation as he walks through the doors into a place he once called home. The resentment bubbling just below the surface that it was Klopp who became their idol and not him. The nagging frustration that some never fully appreciated the difference he made. This time he’ll show them. Soon they will recognise his brilliance. One day there will be no caveats.

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6 hours ago, Ted Maul said:

 

What a goal- amazing that it wasn't even the best one we scored that night. 

 

His army of supporters don't seem to be too pleased with Man City and Pep in the comments, glad we got rid of them lol

This in the comments lol Which club is going to come along and #FreeMahrez?

 

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12 minutes ago, TK95 said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12134739/premier-league-predictions-jose-mourinho-and-tottenham-can-master-declining-manchester-city

 

Sky's predictions make for an interesting reading :whistle:

 

"A gulf in class" :brendan:

 

Isn't really anything incorrect about what he's said there tbh.

 

Didn't realise that about the chance creation as well, not ideal.

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