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16 hours ago, Col city fan said:

What you’ve just explained is true of FT, in a nutshell.

It’s full of hypocrisy. The likes of Nacho and Ayoze have received dogs abuse on here. Now that Nacho has had a good run of games, suddenly he’s brilliant. Finally the usual suspects are starting to see Perez importance to the team, but that’s after many months of rabid criticism. 
And you’re right that other players can’t do any wrong. Amartey is possibly the worst player we’ve had at the club in a long time, but the FT faithful seem to adore him

I’ve never gotten it, never will. I just take it for what it is these days.

 

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14 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

Imagine you had a job, i dunno, selling carpets.  You're shit at selling carpets so your boss calls you in and tells you that you're shit at selling carpets.  He might even say that you probably don't have a future with his carpet selling business. 

 

Imagine you then improve.  You're selling carpets left right and centre.  You've become carpet salesman of the month!  You get a nice shiny award and everything.  

 

Your boss calls you in, congratulates you, offers you a cigar and tells you how delighted he is by your improvement and your performance.   

 

Is your boss a hypocrite?

I want to sit here and slate your analogy because I don’t like it at all but I can’t think of a genuine reason to give so maybe it’s an amazing analogy lol

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Rigid opinions are bad opinions. Things change and people need to change with them. A rigid opinion is only good for as long as the relevant info available supports it, once it supports something else then that opinion becomes dated and holding on to it due to stubbornness is not a good trait to have, in football who really cares but in a larger context could be actively dangerous. 

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5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I don’t know why you keep on needing to offend mate? Personally I think it’s better to have a view and generally stick to it. That’s not immature, probably completely the opposite.

My views on Perez have been consistent. I like him and have often argued I think he’s more valuable to the team than many on here recognised. My views on Big Dan haven’t really changed. Handy utility player but just not really good enough. And Cambiasso.. no way a Leicester legend and in many games during the great escape season, actually a liability.

Generally quite set views that I’ve had and have gone against the grain. But I don’t care about that. I’ll stick with them.

Why would you think it's better to have a view and stick to it? Even when a player improves or declines enough to make your opinion look ridiculous?

 

It's possible for a player to miss a penalty and a sitter in one game, and then not long after, bang in 7 goals in 4 games. You're not wrong to criticise that player for a poor performance when it's deserved and then praise the same player when he's on fire. There's absolutely nothing hypocritical about that.

 

People once believed the Earth was flat, you know (sadly, that's not a great example these days as there are plenty who still have this belief). There was a time when you could be forgiven for thinking that was true. Nobody knew any better. Better evidence was eventually discovered, and sensible people changed their mind.

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14 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

I want to sit here and slate your analogy because I don’t like it at all but I can’t think of a genuine reason to give so maybe it’s an amazing analogy lol

Perhaps it deserves a good carpeting.

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3 minutes ago, Guest said:

Round earthers are just fickle hypocrites. Flat earthers should be praised for being mature and brave enough to stick to their guns and go against the grain

Elliptical spheroid.

 

And pedants should be praised above all.

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On 04/04/2021 at 17:00, murphy said:

 

Imagine you had a job, i dunno, selling carpets.  You're shit at selling carpets so your boss calls you in and tells you that you're shit at selling carpets.  He might even say that you probably don't have a future with his carpet selling business. 

 

Imagine you then improve.  You're selling carpets left right and centre.  You've become carpet salesman of the month!  You get a nice shiny award and everything.  

 

Your boss calls you in, congratulates you, offers you a cigar and tells you how delighted he is by your improvement and your performance.   

 

Is your boss a hypocrite?

Maybe you weren't that bad in the first place, maybe only being offered the chance to sell when the best saleman was on holiday didn't help

 

Or people offering to drive you to "Allied carpets"

 

Maybe the people not seeing the potential were the problem not the carpet seller.

 

Maybe people will learn and not slag off the next person who doesn't sell many carpets.

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On 04/04/2021 at 17:25, Raw Dykes said:

Why would you think it's better to have a view and stick to it? Even when a player improves or declines enough to make your opinion look ridiculous?

 

It's possible for a player to miss a penalty and a sitter in one game, and then not long after, bang in 7 goals in 4 games. You're not wrong to criticise that player for a poor performance when it's deserved and then praise the same player when he's on fire. There's absolutely nothing hypocritical about that.

 

People once believed the Earth was flat, you know (sadly, that's not a great example these days as there are plenty who still have this belief). There was a time when you could be forgiven for thinking that was true. Nobody knew any better. Better evidence was eventually discovered, and sensible people changed their mind.

It depends on the level of critism, Acknowledging that a player is underperforming is one thing but dishing out a torrent or abuse or booing players in the stadium is another level. The amount of abuse Perez and Iheanacho have had on here you'd think they'd been putting turds through peoples letter boxes.

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On 04/04/2021 at 14:02, Corky said:

If you see somebody you didn't rate playing well and contributing, why not just say so or admit they've changed your view? Why do you need to stick rigidly to what you first thought?

 

It's not a weakness.

Stuart Sutherland quote: The willingness to change one's mind in the light  of...

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21 hours ago, messerschmitt said:

It depends on the level of critism, Acknowledging that a player is underperforming is one thing but dishing out a torrent or abuse or booing players in the stadium is another level. The amount of abuse Perez and Iheanacho have had on here you'd think they'd been putting turds through peoples letter boxes.

Spot on

Pretty much the point I’ve been making

And regarding changing my view on a player like Dan Amartey, I haven’t. I still don’t think he’s good enough to play for Leicester on a consistent basis 

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24 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Spot on

Pretty much the point I’ve been making

And regarding changing my view on a player like Dan Amartey, I haven’t. I still don’t think he’s good enough to play for Leicester on a consistent basis 

That wasn't what you were saying at all. You were saying it's better to have an opinion of a player and stick with it, rather than ever change your opinion based on the evidence. You were saying that it would be immature and hypocritical to do so. It was nothing to do with abuse.

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5 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said:

That wasn't what you were saying at all. You were saying it's better to have an opinion of a player and stick with it, rather than ever change your opinion based on the evidence. You were saying that it would be immature and hypocritical to do so. It was nothing to do with abuse.

Read back through the thread and you’ll see that’s how it started. Unfortunately as often happens the conversation then gets silly.

Regarding having clearer opinions on things yes, I find that’s much less ‘immature’ (not my word btw) than calling a player a cvnt one week, then brilliant the next. 
I think I’ve been clear on this. 
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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Spot on

Pretty much the point I’ve been making

And regarding changing my view on a player like Dan Amartey, I haven’t. I still don’t think he’s good enough to play for Leicester on a consistent basis 

Realistically in a normal season Amartey would have been lucky to play 5 games this season, he was probably our 5th choice centre back when the season started and is only playing because we have no choice due to injury issues and we are having to use the players at the bottom end of the squad.

 

Not sure what level of player you think we can attract to play that kind of role for us? Especially when we normally play with a back 4

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2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Realistically in a normal season Amartey would have been lucky to play 5 games this season, he was probably our 5th choice centre back when the season started and is only playing because we have no choice due to injury issues and we are having to use the players at the bottom end of the squad.

 

Not sure what level of player you think we can attract to play that kind of role for us? Especially when we normally play with a back 4

Can’t argue with any of that. I still don’t believe he’s ‘good enough’ though for a side sitting third in the best league in the world. We’re kind of saying the same thing. Play Amartey if all other choices are exhausted.

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39 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Spot on

Pretty much the point I’ve been making

And regarding changing my view on a player like Dan Amartey, I haven’t. I still don’t think he’s good enough to play for Leicester on a consistent basis 

Not good enough to play on a consistent basis is not the same as classing him as the worst player we have had in a long time, I would like to know what you class as a long time as that is some statement.

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2 minutes ago, Ian S said:

Not good enough to play on a consistent basis is not the same as classing him as the worst player we have had in a long time, I would like to know what you class as a long time as that is some statement.

In the first place I’m sure I wrote ‘possibly the worst player for a long time’? And it was a question, not a statement. And look at the context. I was comparing the shed-load of abuse that the likes of Nacho and Perez have received on here, compared to the relatively little abuse that Big Dan gets. In fact, there have been posts only over the last few days indicating a ‘love-in’ for Amartey. There’s the hypocrisy. 
I don’t get it, never will either but listen, it’s all opinions. 
I won’t change peoples minds and don’t wish to. I’m just stating mine 

 

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15 hours ago, Col city fan said:

In the first place I’m sure I wrote ‘possibly the worst player for a long time’? And it was a question, not a statement. And look at the context. I was comparing the shed-load of abuse that the likes of Nacho and Perez have received on here, compared to the relatively little abuse that Big Dan gets. In fact, there have been posts only over the last few days indicating a ‘love-in’ for Amartey. There’s the hypocrisy. 
I don’t get it, never will either but listen, it’s all opinions. 
I won’t change peoples minds and don’t wish to. I’m just stating mine 

 

The difference is Perez and Nacho have had a lot of game time, where as Big Dan has hardly played, that’s why they got criticised a lot more.

 

For me Big Dan is very limited and we all know that, but he comes in and does a job, the Man City game we was just sitting ducks, it was only matter of time before we conceded.

 

If we get CL, we will look back over the season and see how it was achieved and his goal at Brighton could of made all the difference.

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