Corona Virus

[leicsmac]

51 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

The state of this thread: desperately trying to direct anger at China.

It's expected, really - it's a pretty typical response that in times of a crisis folks will look for another party to blame as it makes coping with it easier. Doesn't stop it being at least partly untrue, but the reason for the response is there.

 

TBH the Chinese are engaging in some of it themselves, trying to blame the worldwide spread solely on the West, which is untrue too.

 

29 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Well now I'm really confused Matt because this doesn't fit the narrative that we are all being blindly lead to our deaths by the UK Government and advisors 

Way I see it there seems to be a pretty even divide on here between those looking to blame China and those criticising the UK government.

 

Perhaps there's a little bit of truth to both rather than it just being one or the other?

 

1 minute ago, murphy said:

Trump will be gone before the virus is, I think.

Here's hoping.

[Alf Bentley]

28 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Thanks mate. I'm glad the situation has made things easier for your own daughter.

 

We're lucky that we live out in the sticks so I can go for a walk or a run but that's only 1-2 hours out of 16 a day of freedom. The other 14 hours are hell really.

 

My daughter has now started self harming and her therapy over video conferencing isn't really working now.

 

I'm getting increasingly angry and frustrated and shouting/screaming at her, so I'm a bit worried I'll do something I'll regret.

 

Then I feel guilty because there's guys on here who have elderly relatives who are really struggling and my issues feel trivial in comparison.

 

It's all shit for everyone really and I guess we're all just doing our best day by day.

 

Tough times for sure 

 

Sounds like you've been dealt a tougher hand than the vast majority, so absolutely no need for feelings of guilt, I'd say.

 

If your Missus is at home, could you take turns to get out of the house more often, even if only for shorter breaks to clear your head? Maybe she's working, though? I'm sure you've thought of such things....

 

Stick in there. Tough times, indeed, and they're clearly going to last a while - but they aren't going to last forever.....and life will seem pretty bloody good, when things do improve, won't it. 

 

Edited 28 March 2020 by Alf Bentley

[WigstonWanderer]

Despite the appalling loss of life in Italy, it is giving me some cause for optimism that the lockdown measures they’ve taken are working. The number of deaths is still increasing but it no longer looks exponential.

[BKLFox]

1 minute ago, Markyblue said:

You are if you didn't vote for this government and you are not if you voted for it, so much for national unity far to many looking for cheap political shots disguised as genuine concerns. 

 

If aimed at myself I'm the least political person you will ever meet fella it bores the 5hit out of me but I get where your coming from.

 

For me we have an elected leader who is being advised on how our Nation should navigate this crisis, it doesn't matter which party this leader is from they have the real data, not data from a friend of friend who works in X, and are formulating a plan around that data and like any plan they will have wins and unfortunately loses it's just a case of trying to minimise those loses.

 

I believe half the problem with the average Joe is that we are stuck in our bubble..the UK, only seeing how we are living and like most things seem to think the grass is greener on the other side, in this case in another country.

 

I bet even some German's, I'll use Germany as that seems to be the most go to country as to why we not following them, are probably in the same boat as us with their governments handling, for instance I bet they had the same panic about how they are going to live without working, yet for all the efficiency of Germany, the U.K. Had their bailout plan formulated and delivered quicker out to its people to ease those issue than the go to country of most, do you think they sat quietly when their media reported that the UK have pledge x as an aid package to support its citizens or do we think hey Merkel where's our package.

[Alf Bentley]

2 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Despite the appalling loss of life in Italy, it is giving me some cause for optimism that the lockdown measures they’ve taken are working. The number of deaths is still increasing but it no longer looks exponential.

 

Similar thoughts re. Spain: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52060900

 

" Spain has seen a sharp rise in the number of deaths caused by coronavirus but the rate of new infections is stabilising, officials say.

Confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, rose to 64,059, a 14% increase compared with 18% a day earlier and 20% on Wednesday".

 

Similarly, the number of new infections in Italy seems to have plateaued or even fallen slightly over recent days.

 

Logically, I suppose the downturn in the number of deaths may lag 1-2 weeks behind the downturn in new infections.....so the latter is the first sign for cautious optimism.

[Rain King]

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

[Vacamion]

 

I already worked from home a lot, and I'm working harder than ever during the week. 

 

I know those of you enduring forced inactivity are sick of it, but for me, it's nice to get some time off and laze about at the weekend.

 

My missus, on the other hand, has spent the lockdown on enforced leave and is climbing the walls.   

[Izzy]

5 minutes ago, pds said:

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

With great difficulty I'd say.

 

Not only have you got families already at their wits end with each other, but then there's the old and vulnerable who are isolated and lonely who you can't visit.

 

Then there's the issue of not being able to go out and socialize, which is part of our human make up. The result is that some people will end up binge eating/drinking to make themselves feel better and then there's the knock on long term health effects (physical and mental).

 

People will genuinely go mad/stir crazy if these restrictions last for months.

[murphy]

11 minutes ago, pds said:

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

For me, I'm finding the lockdown pretty easy so far.  You have to keep busy.  I've started a new veg plot and have a long list of stuff to do.

 

It's going out that scares me,  I had to go to the post office this morning and I planned it like a military exercise.  Every day spent indoors without having to face the scary outside world feels like a little victory.

 

I get that people are different and will handle this differently.  I think it is worse when it is open ended with no release in sight but we absolutely need to do this.  

[Guest Markyblue]

20 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

If aimed at myself I'm the least political person you will ever meet fella it bores the 5hit out of me but I get where your coming from.

 

For me we have an elected leader who is being advised on how our Nation should navigate this crisis, it doesn't matter which party this leader is from they have the real data, not data from a friend of friend who works in X, and are formulating a plan around that data and like any plan they will have wins and unfortunately loses it's just a case of trying to minimise those loses.

 

I believe half the problem with the average Joe is that we are stuck in our bubble..the UK, only seeing how we are living and like most things seem to think the grass is greener on the other side, in this case in another country.

 

I bet even some German's, I'll use Germany as that seems to be the most go to country as to why we not following them, are probably in the same boat as us with their governments handling, for instance I bet they had the same panic about how they are going to live without working, yet for all the efficiency of Germany, the U.K. Had their bailout plan formulated and delivered quicker out to its people to ease those issue than the go to country of most, do you think they sat quietly when their media reported that the UK have pledge x as an aid package to support its citizens or do we think hey Merkel where's our package.

Certainly not aimed at you, just think lets get through this together and then if your that way inclined play politics.  This needs a United effort,  i know of course people have the right to question but i have the right to say it probably doesn't help , stay safe everyone. 

[Paninistickers]

20 minutes ago, pds said:

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

Must depend on personality.

 

I've always been happy in my own company and can take it leave socialising (I have to MAKE myself socialise as a rule. As obvs it's a bit weird to be considered someone who's happy staying away from others)

 

Tangenting off on another note way away from Covid19, when I got married, I have to say I disliked the day overall. All the attention. Being centre stage. It was a bit of an ordeal. Prob why I ended up divorced, lol. Did anyone else dislike their wedding? 21st? Birthday party etc?

[reynard]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

For me, I'm finding the lockdown pretty easy so far.  You have to keep busy.  I've started a new veg plot and have a long list of stuff to do.

 

It's going out that scares me,  I had to go to the post office this morning and I planned it like a military exercise.  Every day spent indoors without having to face the scary outside world feels like a little victory.

 

I get that people are different and will handle this differently.  I think it is worse when it is open ended with no release in sight but we absolutely need to do this.  

Agree with all this. I dug over a plot for veg and went through my old collection of seeds etc. Think I wll be trying to grow more this year. Obviously lucky we both have gardens. Going out is pretty worrying. As my wife works in the care sector with vulnerable elderly people I've pretty much confined myself to the four walls of home and the garden as If I get infected she won't be able to work or worse still could pass it on to some vulnerable people.

For many not having a prospective end date will be diffiucult to deal with but you're right we absolutely have to do this and probably more in the next few weeks.

[reynard]

33 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Similar thoughts re. Spain: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52060900

 

" Spain has seen a sharp rise in the number of deaths caused by coronavirus but the rate of new infections is stabilising, officials say.

Confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, rose to 64,059, a 14% increase compared with 18% a day earlier and 20% on Wednesday".

 

Similarly, the number of new infections in Italy seems to have plateaued or even fallen slightly over recent days.

 

Logically, I suppose the downturn in the number of deaths may lag 1-2 weeks behind the downturn in new infections.....so the latter is the first sign for cautious optimism.

Let's hope so. The trouble with percentages is that though the % may be decreasing it really needs the number of daily new infections to start decreasing, and for more than the occasional isolated day, for the lockdown to really kick in. If Italy and Spain are replayed here it looks like our lockdown will probably need to be tightened and last beyond the end of April.

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

Trump will be gone before the virus is, I think.

Maybe so, but the US is not exactly known for its peaceful attitude is it, especially where orientals are concerned.

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Must depend on personality.

 

I've always been happy in my own company and can take it leave socialising (I have to MAKE myself socialise as a rule. As obvs it's a bit weird to be considered someone who's happy staying away from others)

 

Tangenting off on another note way away from Covid19, when I got married, I have to say I disliked the day overall. All the attention. Being centre stage. It was a bit of an ordeal. Prob why I ended up divorced, lol. Did anyone else dislike their wedding? 21st? Birthday party etc?

I'm quite enjoying it, like you I've always been happy in my own company and I love nothing more than being at home so this suits me fine. It's made me more organised with meal planning so we're saving a small fortune on not eating take away or convenience food, and my car still has the same amount of fuel in it that it had a week ago, so more saving. 

I didn't really enjoy my wedding day either, and birthday parties? They're the stuff of nightmares as far as I'm concerned 

[murphy]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Must depend on personality.

 

I've always been happy in my own company and can take it leave socialising (I have to MAKE myself socialise as a rule. As obvs it's a bit weird to be considered someone who's happy staying away from others)

 

Tangenting off on another note way away from Covid19, when I got married, I have to say I disliked the day overall. All the attention. Being centre stage. It was a bit of an ordeal. Prob why I ended up divorced, lol. Did anyone else dislike their wedding? 21st? Birthday party etc?

I am very much like this.  Prefer my own company and I love to take to the hills, just me and my dogs.  Social occasions stress me the hell out.  If we get invited for a meal with OHs parents or a wedding or a barbecue or something, it will stress me out for days beforehand and I'm pretty laid back generally.

 

I read Chris Packham's book - Fingers In The Sparkle Jar and it is all about his life and struggles with Aspergers.  I saw a lot myself in his story and every online test I've done since puts me borderline aspergers.  Like him, I wouldn't change it though.

[ithuriel]

Ambulance was called to a house directly opposite my own, a family lives there and the kids were waiting in a car outside, their  car being parked on the drive.

The ambulance peeps were there for a short time in full protective gear and now they are gone with both cars, hoping it is nothing to serious.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

40 minutes ago, pds said:

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

Personally I'm alright so far in terms of being at home. Only thing I'd like is an outdoor space, no garden or even a balcony at my flat. 

[bovril]

I am also quite enjoying it, especially in this weather. It's given me time to work on some projects and read a lot more. I've also started to gain a greater appreciation for the things we take for granted, even just being able to Skype my parents. My landlady is Polish and was telling me about being in England during the lock down there in 1982, and her not knowing for days what had happened to her family. So at least these days we can easily contact our loved ones.

 

On the other hand, I like being out and about. I love walking through London on a Saturday and a Sunday, going back home to see family, or having a weekend away somewhere abroad. It's likely I won't be able to do some of those things for a very long time. I also worry about what is going to be left after this crisis in terms of pubs, restaurants, etc. It sounds frivolous but I have no idea whether I'll ever go to some of my favourite pubs again. I suppose I should feel lucky that at the moment I don't have more pressing concerns.

[fox_up_north]

45 minutes ago, pds said:

How are people dealing with this? Not even one week in and I'm struggling. I realise there are many people in a lot worse positions than I am and of course it's for the greater good but I just don't know how I'm going to get through it. 

Talk of even stricter restrictions and lasting months/years. Giving me regular headaches just thinking about it. 

Genuinely give yourself something creative to do or set little goals. The other half works with prisoners and the absolute best way they keep sane is learning and improving something. 

 

Start taking online courses or do something where you get a sense of gratification. That way a day doesn't feel like a waste.

 

I know it sounds daft but have a look at what you can do immediately. Do some weeding, paint some furniture or even just try drawing some fruit. 

 

[Milo]

2 hours ago, Izzy said:

I'd say it's harder (well for me anyway)

 

The thought of having four of us cramped up together in a small 3 bed terrace for months on end is a nightmare - especially with a fvcked up OCD teenage daughter.

 

I'd love a bit of 'me' time in isolation rather than tripping over moody family members every other minute.

Tough to hear, mate.

 

I'm sure you've thought of it - but could you get a man cave at the bottom of the garden? Mine took a weekend to go up and it's been worth it's weight in gold - absolute sanctuary.

 

Pretty sure that there will be companies still selling and supplying them...

[stripeyfox]

It's a tough time for sure. @Izzy sorry to hear you're having a tough time mate.

 

 

Edited 28 March 2020 by stripeyfox

[FoxesDeb]

14 minutes ago, murphy said:

I am very much like this.  Prefer my own company and I love to take to the hills, just me and my dogs.  Social occasions stress me the hell out.  If we get invited for a meal with OHs parents or a wedding or a barbecue or something, it will stress me out for days beforehand and I'm pretty laid back generally.

 

I read Chris Packham's book - Fingers In The Sparkle Jar and it is all about his life and struggles with Aspergers.  I saw a lot myself in his story and every online test I've done since puts me borderline aspergers.  Like him, I wouldn't change it though.

Thanks, I've just done one of these tests online with a similar result. I had no idea that some of what I've always thought of as normal were traits that possibly put me on the spectrum, albeit mildly.  Might look for the book now I've got some extra time on my hands. 

Every day is a school day here 😊

[Dahnsouff]

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I guess you have a fair point .... those countries who can practice self discipline will get back to normal more quickly ....... surely it’s up to the vast majority to show those who are behaving unacceptably that their actions are as socially abhorrent as drink driving ??.

Sorry, I should be less cynical as I would dearly love you to be correct, and the nation act as one in these testing times. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

2 hours ago, Foxxed said:

The state of this thread: desperately trying to direct anger at China.

Everybody tries to blame somebody or something when major stuff happens.

For example, Caroline Flack's suicide was purely down to the press, according to folk on social media in the wake of her death.

Look at how certain players on here get scapegoated in the wake of a defeat.

We have an in-built system to look for reasons/excuses, even if the reasons/excuses are ridiculous.

 

In other news, here's the latest poll, released today...