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The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

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3 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

 

I completely agree with your sentiment here. I don't think it's necessarily do with inclusivity - social media gave every idiot with an opinion a big platform and a bigger audience of similar idiots to agree with them. Before that thick people said stupid things to a few mates in the pub and would likely get told they were any idiot. Then we've promoted popular idiots from social media into celebrities and the tone gets lower from there. It's a hot mess and I don't know how you come back from it. Calling people out is a good start but it feels futile. 

You can't come back. We've entered an age where opinion is weighted more than fact. There's a poster in the coronavirus thread who is living testimony to that. Research and evidence informed information be damned; a thicko has an opinion and we need to value that.

 

Same with this West  Ham poster. He's on obviously stupid - he hasn't even bothered to do rudimentary research. Or he has and hasn't understood it which is just as likely.But his voice is presented as equal. Like you say, years ago that bloke would be told to keep his gob shut as he's wrong on so many counts. 

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You can't come back. We've entered an age where opinion is weighted more than fact. There's a poster in the coronavirus thread who is living testimony to that. Research and evidence informed information be damned; a thicko has an opinion and we need to value that.

 

Same with this West  Ham poster. He's on obviously stupid - he hasn't even bothered to do rudimentary research. Or he has and hasn't understood it which is just as likely.But his voice is presented as equal. Like you say, years ago that bloke would be told to keep his gob shut as he's wrong on so many counts. 

 

we share the same frustrations. I long for a decade ago where people kept their uninformed, shitty opinions to themselves. agree though, the lid is off and there is no putting it back on. miserable times.

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2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Bloody hell they find a couple of decent Czech’s and think they’re on par with our dealings in the transfer market lol keep shouting from mid table next season, we might just about be able to hear you from near the top...

 

They finished 1 place and 1 point behind us.

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23 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

I'm tempted to just go on there and call him a moron. 

 

The last few years have seen morons being allowed a place in discourse. Nobody tells idiots they're not clever and, as such, their views aren't valuable. It stopped with the rise of inclusivity being paramount but we're worse off for it. We need to start telling thick people they're thick again, not valuing their opinions as equal. This bloke is a thicko and he needs to know it. There's no excuse. 

 

17 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

 

I completely agree with your sentiment here. I don't think it's necessarily do with inclusivity - social media gave every idiot with an opinion a big platform and a bigger audience of similar idiots to agree with them. Before that thick people said stupid things to a few mates in the pub and would likely get told they were any idiot. Then we've promoted popular idiots from social media into celebrities and the tone gets lower from there. It's a hot mess and I don't know how you come back from it. Calling people out is a good start but it feels futile. 

“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” – Bill Murray

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2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

It's an unbelievable post.

 

Transfer windows are a complete mess with some 6 months out and others a ****ing whole year out, players names completely misspelled and game time all over the place. Iborra played almost 40 times for us, not 20; Perez has played 76 games over TWO years, not 3; his hilarious "The shivaddhanaprabbha specials " selection of Jakupovic, Diabate and Benkovic; Hughes, Thomas and Zieler as an example of some sort of failure includes two back up keepers, two youth players who cost thruppence halfpenny, one risk free kid from Ligue 2 and Benkovic, who arrived at the same time as Soyuncu - sorry, Soyunca - immediately went out on loan and is regularly injured. Those six cost a combined £13m tops - the bulk of that was on Benkovic and we got the fees for Zieler and Diabate back. Jakupovic and Benkovic are still here and didn't disappear on a free as he suggested.

 

As for our finances he completely ignores the fact we've built a training facility that doesn't have a portakabin. He ignores the skyrocketed income from winning the Premier League in 2016 (something his club have never won). He ignores the process we've made every single season, and this season ignores that we've won the FA Cup (something his club haven't done for 40 years), played in the Europa League and had one of the worst injury crises in the league this season.

 

Honestly, if you're going to slant us at least do your research, and when you do your research, at least get it ****ing right.

 

What a prat.

The fact he has so much time on his hands to concoct such a post, suggests we are in deranged Muppet territory.  

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9 hours ago, murphy said:

I stopped by the West Ham forum to see what they think of Matheus Pereira SInce we are both linked anf was surprised to find this thread, On Comparisons With Leicester:

 

https://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180811&sid=13978e885966e8b30b49d7adf74ba8e4

 

A lot of ommissions, misinterpretations and inaccuracies from OP.  To save you a visit I've posted it below.

 

Tbf most of the WH fans were quite complimentary in response.

 

On comparisons with Leicester

Getting tired of hearing how **** we are and how effing brilliant Leicester are in the market, so sorry mods this is a long one
2015/16 Leicester somehow won the league and got a cash windfall of est 60-70m adding in the champs league. Well done them. What did they do – sell kante for 30m.

2016/17 Reinvested 70m on 
Kapustka 7.5mil. played 2cup games. Couple of loans before free transfer to legia 2020. Spunked 7.5m + 4 yrs wages. 
Slimani 29 mill. Played 15 games. Few loans before free transfer to Lyon 2021. Spunked 29 mill + 4yrs wages.

Ndidi 14 mil. Played 150 games and 7 goals in 4½ seasons. Done ok but as the kante replacement, its Snoddy for Payet a la Leicester.
Maguire 17 mil. This one they got very very lucky on.
Then there are what we would call shivaddhanaprabbha specials, likes of Hughes, Thomas, Zeiler who managed 8 games between them before disappearing on loans and being sold for free.

As a result of all this wise investment they finished 12th

2017/18
Chelsea for some stupid reason donated 35 mil for Drinkwater. Leicester went big and spend 104 m
Iborra 12,5 mil. Played 20 games in 18 months before being flogged to villareal for 9 mil.
Silva 22 mil. Played 10 games loan for 2 seasons and then sold for 6 mil.
Pereira 21,8 mil. Average 24 games a season and chipped in with 5 goals in 4 years
Maddison 22,5 mil. 30+ games/season and 21 goals. This was a no brainer. But they will sell him.
Iheanacho 25 mil. OK player that’s started 44 games in 4 yrs! 52 apps as a sub. Lot of money and big wages for a substitute. 
The shivaddhanaprabbha specials this season include Jakupovic Diabate and Benkovic who like their predecessors managed 8 games between them before going out on loan and disappearing on freebies.

The 104 mil investment saw them rise to the giddy heights of 9th.

2018/19
Sold their best player Mayrez for 60 m
Sold Musa 14,5 mil. Who theyd bought for 16,6 mil. In 2015. He played 7 games for his 3 yrs wages.
Sold Iborra 9 mil. Who theyd brought as above for 12,5 mil.
89mill in they go big again 114m out
Ward 12,5 mil. Has never played a league game.
Ghezzai 12,5 mil. Played 8 games been loaned out ever since. 
Soyunca 19 mil. Started 57 games over 3 years

Perez 30 mil. Started 41 games + 17 sub over 3 years
Tielemans 40 mil. 69 games 9 goals
They still finished 9th

2019/20
Man utd donate 80 mil. For Maguire. Leicester make one purchase 
Proet 18 mil. Has played 22 games in 2 yrs.

As a result of getting rid of flathead and not wasting so much of the money Leicester rise to 5th

2020/2021
Sell one of their own. Chelseas turn to donate 50 mil. For Chilwell
Buy Castagne and fofana for 55 mil. Rodgers signings which hes used for 27 games each

End of season still 5th 1 point more than useless West Ham 

2021/22
So far spent 50 mil on Daka & Soumare. well see how it goes 
(btw Gray just been sold to everton by Leverkausen. Leicester paid 5.1 m sold for 2. M)

Summary
Despite flogging their best players for 340 mil in 5 years and the bomus 60+mil from winning the league the ciub debt actually increased to 162 mil + additional reported 74 mil for the last year. Come covid while our hated owners put their hands in their pockets and provided 30 m in a new share issue the adored shivaddhanaprabbha provided an extra 30 mil in interest baring loan. All Leicesters debt is interest baring. majority to king power. They also pay directors fees to their esteemed owners. Leicester city have the highest wage bill after the big six. As a percentage of turnover their wages are by far the highest in the prem. The 157 mil they spent on wages alone 2019/20 was more than their income. The only time in modern history a prem club has spent more than 105% of turnover on wages was QPR under Fernandes, that didn’t work well. And yes that’s the same Fernandes some people wanted at West Ham. They won the cup, so did Wigan. As a business model all they’ve done like Wigan is spend more than they’ve earnt and in many cases on such crap they make Pellegrini signings look good. There is nothing clever or special about Leicester City or their owners. They are and will remain little Leicester. We are West Ham, we have our faults but less slagging off please. Don’t compare the two clubs and ignore our good signings and their bad ones If anyone of you really think Leicester are so great go post on one of their websites they’ll be happy to double their membership.

And no I don’t want to debate this further nor do i wish to see Leicester City praised on this thread ever again

He's as wrong as he is right. We are not perfect in the transfer market and the recent rimming we've had as the best club in the country with the transfer market and player succession is glossing over some appalling signings in the very recent past. 

 

It's disingenuous to say clubs donated us money, we played hard ball in the transfer market and it paid off, but Cags and Kel were both looking like poor signings at first. Perez is still 50/50. It isn't always going to work for us. As great as it is we are getting plaudits and recognition for the good stuff, we shouldn't start believing the hype as a club and as fans. It is going to be a huge amount of hard work to progress after 2 of the best seasons in the clubs history. Perspective is still important.

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10 hours ago, murphy said:

I stopped by the West Ham forum to see what they think of Matheus Pereira SInce we are both linked anf was surprised to find this thread, On Comparisons With Leicester:

 

https://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180811&sid=13978e885966e8b30b49d7adf74ba8e4

 

A lot of ommissions, misinterpretations and inaccuracies from OP.  To save you a visit I've posted it below.

 

Tbf most of the WH fans were quite complimentary in response.

 

On comparisons with Leicester

Getting tired of hearing how **** we are and how effing brilliant Leicester are in the market, so sorry mods this is a long one
2015/16 Leicester somehow won the league and got a cash windfall of est 60-70m adding in the champs league. Well done them. What did they do – sell kante for 30m.

2016/17 Reinvested 70m on 
Kapustka 7.5mil. played 2cup games. Couple of loans before free transfer to legia 2020. Spunked 7.5m + 4 yrs wages. 
Slimani 29 mill. Played 15 games. Few loans before free transfer to Lyon 2021. Spunked 29 mill + 4yrs wages.

Ndidi 14 mil. Played 150 games and 7 goals in 4½ seasons. Done ok but as the kante replacement, its Snoddy for Payet a la Leicester.
Maguire 17 mil. This one they got very very lucky on.
Then there are what we would call shivaddhanaprabbha specials, likes of Hughes, Thomas, Zeiler who managed 8 games between them before disappearing on loans and being sold for free.

As a result of all this wise investment they finished 12th

2017/18
Chelsea for some stupid reason donated 35 mil for Drinkwater. Leicester went big and spend 104 m
Iborra 12,5 mil. Played 20 games in 18 months before being flogged to villareal for 9 mil.
Silva 22 mil. Played 10 games loan for 2 seasons and then sold for 6 mil.
Pereira 21,8 mil. Average 24 games a season and chipped in with 5 goals in 4 years
Maddison 22,5 mil. 30+ games/season and 21 goals. This was a no brainer. But they will sell him.
Iheanacho 25 mil. OK player that’s started 44 games in 4 yrs! 52 apps as a sub. Lot of money and big wages for a substitute. 
The shivaddhanaprabbha specials this season include Jakupovic Diabate and Benkovic who like their predecessors managed 8 games between them before going out on loan and disappearing on freebies.

The 104 mil investment saw them rise to the giddy heights of 9th.

2018/19
Sold their best player Mayrez for 60 m
Sold Musa 14,5 mil. Who theyd bought for 16,6 mil. In 2015. He played 7 games for his 3 yrs wages.
Sold Iborra 9 mil. Who theyd brought as above for 12,5 mil.
89mill in they go big again 114m out
Ward 12,5 mil. Has never played a league game.
Ghezzai 12,5 mil. Played 8 games been loaned out ever since. 
Soyunca 19 mil. Started 57 games over 3 years

Perez 30 mil. Started 41 games + 17 sub over 3 years
Tielemans 40 mil. 69 games 9 goals
They still finished 9th

2019/20
Man utd donate 80 mil. For Maguire. Leicester make one purchase 
Proet 18 mil. Has played 22 games in 2 yrs.

As a result of getting rid of flathead and not wasting so much of the money Leicester rise to 5th

2020/2021
Sell one of their own. Chelseas turn to donate 50 mil. For Chilwell
Buy Castagne and fofana for 55 mil. Rodgers signings which hes used for 27 games each

End of season still 5th 1 point more than useless West Ham 

2021/22
So far spent 50 mil on Daka & Soumare. well see how it goes 
(btw Gray just been sold to everton by Leverkausen. Leicester paid 5.1 m sold for 2. M)

Summary
Despite flogging their best players for 340 mil in 5 years and the bomus 60+mil from winning the league the ciub debt actually increased to 162 mil + additional reported 74 mil for the last year. Come covid while our hated owners put their hands in their pockets and provided 30 m in a new share issue the adored shivaddhanaprabbha provided an extra 30 mil in interest baring loan. All Leicesters debt is interest baring. majority to king power. They also pay directors fees to their esteemed owners. Leicester city have the highest wage bill after the big six. As a percentage of turnover their wages are by far the highest in the prem. The 157 mil they spent on wages alone 2019/20 was more than their income. The only time in modern history a prem club has spent more than 105% of turnover on wages was QPR under Fernandes, that didn’t work well. And yes that’s the same Fernandes some people wanted at West Ham. They won the cup, so did Wigan. As a business model all they’ve done like Wigan is spend more than they’ve earnt and in many cases on such crap they make Pellegrini signings look good. There is nothing clever or special about Leicester City or their owners. They are and will remain little Leicester. We are West Ham, we have our faults but less slagging off please. Don’t compare the two clubs and ignore our good signings and their bad ones If anyone of you really think Leicester are so great go post on one of their websites they’ll be happy to double their membership.

And no I don’t want to debate this further nor do i wish to see Leicester City praised on this thread ever again

Why is this flippin ug mug rating midfielders and defenders on how many goals the've scored??

 

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14 hours ago, gerrytaggart said:

Why is this flippin ug mug rating midfielders and defenders on how many goals the've scored??

 

Seems like he is saying, tielemans, fofana, Ricardo, Ndidi, soyuncu arent good signings… well okay, whatever floats your boat and fits your narrative I suppose. So we have sold 340m of talent and yet only keep improving? what is his point? 

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15 hours ago, Captain... said:

He's as wrong as he is right. He’s definitely a lot wronger than he is right. A lot of rudimentary facts wrong, and a general missing of the point. “Their owners waste money” followed by “our owners actually invest more than theirs”…

 

We are not perfect in the transfer market and the recent rimming we've had as the best club in the country with the transfer market and player succession is glossing over some appalling signings in the very recent past. Silva’s shambles aside, I think appalling is strong for anyone since Ranieri left. Some inexpensive gambles that didn’t work (Ghezzai)-some where we didn’t get the world-beater we hoped for (Perez). Who’s been appalling?

 

It's disingenuous to say clubs donated us money, we played hard ball in the transfer market and it paid off, but Cags and Kel were both looking like poor signings at first. They absolutely weren’t. Cags had a season in the wings waiting for Maguire to go, but pretty much performed as soon as he started. Iheanacho looked great first few games, but lost his confidence when benched repeatedly.
Perez is still 50/50. Maybe. He has played a major role in the second best season in our history (36 games). He’s a frustrating watch sometimes, but we needed a hole filled quickly and signed another PL club’s best player, so naturally paid slightly over the odds.
It isn't always going to work for us. As great as it is we are getting plaudits and recognition for the good stuff, we shouldn't start believing the hype as a club and as fans. It is going to be a huge amount of hard work to progress after 2 of the best seasons in the clubs history. Perspective is still important.

That’s certainly true, but wasn’t really his point. His point is largely that Ndidi, Fofana, Castagne, Soyuncu, Tielemans, Ricardo are good examples of signings we’ve got wrong.

 

Who has done better in the transfer market than us in the last 2,3,5,8 years? Can’t be many… 

First poster in the thread aside, a pretty well-versed and knowledgeable crowd on their site, who mostly shot him down…

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On 24/07/2021 at 09:01, st albans fox said:

And the old administration stuff comes up in the replies …..jeez, it was nearly twenty years ago and we did our penance in league 1.  the amount of debt we jettisoned was paltry in relation to prem league expenditure  (though at the time it’s obvs not to those who didn’t get paid). 

They've got a cheek. Talk about hypocrites. They've clearly forgotten that they did some dodgy business of their own back in the day with the signings of Tevez and Mascherano which ultimately relegated another team (who then spiralled down to league one) only for them to get away with a lenient fine. 

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39 minutes ago, Oxfordfox83 said:

First poster in the thread aside, a pretty well-versed and knowledgeable crowd on their site, who mostly shot him down…

Cags looked like a bombscare first season, I don't think anyone expected him to fill Maguire's boots so easily. Benkovic is looking like a waste of money.

 

If you're asking who has been better in the transfer market, you could argue West Ham, and I think that's his point. They've spent very well recently and got the most out of their squad.

 

If you can get past the saltiness and inaccuracies his point still stands, we are being rimmed as the greatest exponents of how to run a football club. Whereas West Ham are still seen as a bit of a joke. 

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51 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Cags looked like a bombscare first season, I don't think anyone expected him to fill Maguire's boots so easily. Benkovic is looking like a waste of money.

 

If you're asking who has been better in the transfer market, you could argue West Ham, and I think that's his point. They've spent very well recently and got the most out of their squad.

 

If you can get past the saltiness and inaccuracies his point still stands, we are being rimmed as the greatest exponents of how to run a football club. Whereas West Ham are still seen as a bit of a joke. 

Tbf one swallow doesn’t make a Summer. It was only recently they had fans outside the directors box baying for blood. 

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