England vs Argentina - Weds 15th July - 20.00 (BST)

[Chiltern Fox]

10 minutes ago, StanSP said:

They let him back in (as captain?) after the racist incident while he was on national duty against France didn't they? 

I think so, yes

[JonnyZeroFox]

Let’s get foden, palmer Trent back in..  get rid of Tuchel and get a manager who isn’t going to sub all the defenders on 

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said:

He’s honest, again. In fairness when you look at the subs he does give it nearly 20 mins after our goal to make a change when he realised we were getting more and more passive. He thought the best chance was to help us defend the crosses we were conceding lots of… which is not unreasonable imo. 

If you're getting more passive, bring on an outlet, so Argentina can't just keep making attacking subs and pushing everyone forward without any fear of being countered.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Now they're saying no Palmer no Trent..they really giving Tuchel stick 

[Jaspa]

So the point he's trying to make is that we'd already gone ultra defensive and negative before the subs, and that his subs had no effect on that aspect. 

 

Had a little moan about having to play at altitude and in Miami heat, he could've played for 2nd in the group and avoided all of that while keeping to air con stadia(albeit against higher rated teams).

 

Didnt look quite as smug as pre-match but seemed a little full of himself.

[ACF]

Rooney spot on 

[HP1]

Just now, StanSP said:

 

No but he did bring up temperature and altitude in previous games... 

Ah yeah, I remember that balmy 13 degree october day we had when we played palace in 2022. For the ages.

[Wsl]

Cut and pasted from the BBC site. Often graphs don't really tell the tale they're supposed to. But this one does. It shows momentum. Just look what happens after we score our only goal. One way momentum from Argentina from that point. Presumably our little flurry at the end was when we stuck two forwards on at 90+6 minutes.... 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

We still treat the ball like a shit potato.

The worst kind of potato 

[trabuch]

1 minute ago, Izzy said:

Can't believe I'm saying this but Wayne Rooney for England manager. Loved his post match comments

Steady on.

[StanSP]

Just now, Wsl said:

Cut and pasted from the BBC site. Often graphs don't really tell the tale they're supposed to. But this one does. It shows momentum. Just look what happens after we score our only goal. One way momentum from Argentina from that point. Presumably our little flurry at the end was when we stuck two forwards on at 90+6 minutes.... 

 

They just said England had 12% possession from the moment we scored up to Martinez' winner

 

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

No but he did bring up temperature and altitude in previous games... 

Gives the apologists something to run with 

[FoxesWalk]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

I didn't think he was honest. I didn't think he was sincere when he said he had responsibility, he said it with a wry smile like he didn't really believe it. 

 

I 100% think he blames the players. 

 

For the 20 ish mins after the goal, he changes nothing and they drop off and become completely passive… so he wouldn’t be wrong blaming the players for that patch of the game to be honest. Then he makes the changes. But we were already inviting it.

[Izzy]

Just now, ACF said:

Rooney spot on 

I've done a complete 180 on Rooney after this evening. I'd walk through a brick wall for him

[JonnyZeroFox]

We handed them the game on a plate after going 1 nil up… 

[coolhandfox]

Rice has been struggling all WC with injuries and illness, but had to play because we took a cheerleader who broke his arm and Mainoo who he clearly doesn't rate.

 

Whilst leaving a ball playing CM like Wharton at home, who could have help give more control.

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Can't believe I'm saying this but Wayne Rooney for England manager. Loved his post match comments

I can't believe your saying it either. Turd manager 

 

 

He does talk a lot of sense though 

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, trabuch said:

Steady on.

 

 

We've tried everything else so why not him

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said:

For the 20 ish mins after the goal, he changes nothing and they drop off and become completely passive… so he wouldn’t be wrong blaming the players for that patch of the game to be honest. Then he makes the changes. But we were already inviting it.

You're assuming that because he hasn't made a sub, he hasn't instructed them to retreat. Also if he's waiting 20 minutes, he quite clearly wasn't that arsed about it

[Leicesterpool]

Why do the managers we go for, just do something stupid in crucial moments. Lets sit back and defend with 1-0 lead with 20 to go plus injury time 😡 take off gordon and rice. Tuchel now will be remembered for the manager that was leading in a semi that made changes whuch resulted us in losing.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

3 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

He’s honest, again. In fairness when you look at the subs he does give it nearly 20 mins after our goal to make a change when he realised we were getting more and more passive. He thought the best chance was to help us defend the crosses we were conceding lots of… which is not unreasonable imo. 
 

He doesn’t change anything yet the players drop massively off it after our goal. You have to put that on the players, not Tuchel. He is making changes to try and save them from being too passive.

Nah - his substitutions vacated the middle of the park - and lo and behold Argentina find even more space.

 

It was brain dead management; not something I expected to say of Tuchel! 

[Monk]

In 20 years time…

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Izzy said:

I've done a complete 180 on Rooney after this evening. I'd walk through a brick wall for him

 

Not Michah Richards? I quite liked how emotionally genuine he was. Seemed absolutely gutted and really fired up. Didn't think it was performative at all, felt quite bad for him really which says a lot cos I'm pissing myself at the rest of you. 

 

 

(jk jk jk) 

[Izzy]

And here's the BBC unlucky loser montage. Fvck off

[Plastik Man]

4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Rodgers used to do this all the time. Poor managers always do this. You throw on more defenders thinking it makes you more defensively sound. 

 

It never works, it's absolutely stupid. Defenders defend so much on instinct, you throw on extra defenders and all of a sudden everything is unfamiliar. It's never a good idea to change defensive shape in the middle of the game. 

 

And I stupidly thought it was just Southgate that went all defensive in games.

 

What a wasted opportunity. 

 

We just conceded possession and territory, withdrew our midfield and attacking outlets,  gave up on the things where we threatened Argentina. They were wobbling after we scored.

 

I do think our defence wasn't secure enough, and part of that was the injuries that meant it was never a settled line up. Perhaps making it more tempting to try and reinforce with extra defenders in these situations?

 

But overall, were England ever really a fully functioning team? We relied too much on Bellingham and Kane. That's ok if you have a great team and defensive unit. But that never really happened.

 

Shame we couldn't even take it to a failed penalty shoot-out though!  😥